# Pitting PKBites **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075 "2021-09-04T00:42:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/402 "2022-11-30T19:55:46Z")
What are they protecting? So what if he sold the gun legally? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/403 "2022-11-30T21:09:18Z")
> [@TheTooth](#): > > A similar idea saw the Freepers trying to drive me out of the country 25 years ago except I wasn’t in it so hard cheese for them. But it seems the most obvious solution. I honestly don’t know what any of that means. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/404 "2022-11-30T21:27:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Just for some reference, I pulled these all from the front pages of various, local media outlets in the area. I don’t know what it looks like in other areas, but this is what I see on a nearly daily basis. None of this is remotely out of the ordinary. > > [Racine County Kwik Trip shooting; road rage incident](https://www.fox6now.com/news/racine-county-kwik-trip-shooting-road-rage-incident) > > > approximately 15 spent shell casings directly in front of Kwik Trip > > > The victim, a 28-year-old man from Kenosha, suffered gunshot wounds to both legs > > . > > [Milwaukee man playing with gun fatally shot friend, prosecutors say](https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-man-playing-gun-fatally-shot-friend-prosecutors-say) > > . > > [Milwaukee kidnapping, shooting; 2 men accused of leaving 2 men for dead](https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-kidnapping-shooting-men-accused) > > > A 19-year-old was shot in the head, but was able to tell police _ **what** _ happened > > > Inside, they found the body of 30-year-old > > , > > [Kenosha crash, La Quinta arrests, Woodman's evacuated](https://www.fox6now.com/news/kenosha-crash-la-quinta-arrests-woodmans-evacuated) > > > two handguns were recovered > > . > > [https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/10-year-old-upset-over-vr-headset-fatally-shoots-mother-charged-as-an-adult](https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/10-year-old-upset-over-vr-headset-fatally-shoots-mother-charged-as-an-adult) > > . > > [https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/medical-examiner-responds-to-homicide-near-44th-and-meinecke](https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/medical-examiner-responds-to-homicide-near-44th-and-meinecke) > > . > > [https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/two-teens-arrested-in-connection-to-deadly-stolen-vehicle-crash-in-milwaukee](https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/two-teens-arrested-in-connection-to-deadly-stolen-vehicle-crash-in-milwaukee) > > > A gun was recovered during the crash investigation. > > , > > [Shooting sends pedestrians running on State Street in downtown Madison](https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2022/11/29/shooting-sends-pedestrians-running-on-state-street-in-downtown-madison/69687332007/) Few more from today: > **[Milwaukee 13-year-old shot, 16-year-old arrested](https://www.fox6now.com/news/boy-13-shot-in-milwaukee-residence-bullet-came-through-ceiling)** > > "Children playing with guns is not OK." . > **[Menomonee Falls pub shooting; not guilty plea from Dylan Breidenbach](https://www.fox6now.com/news/menomonee-falls-pub-shooting-not-guilty-plea-dylan-breidenbach)** > > Dylan Breidenbach of Menomonee Falls pleaded not guilty to the charges associated with the firing of a gunshot inside Sal's Pub and Grill. . > **[Milwaukee shootings wound 4 Wednesday, 1 arrested](https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-shootings-wednesday-113022)** > > A 13-year-old boy was among the victims of Wednesday's shootings. . ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/405 "2022-11-30T23:09:02Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Yes, you can cast your own bullets for an old shotgun. Reloading handgun ammo is more trouble than it’s worth in my opinion, but it’s something any layman can do with the time, up-front money (it saves in the long run if you use a lot of ammo but it costs a lot to start), and willingness to do so. (My dad does it and he’s no gunsmith.) > **[Is Reloading Ammo Worth It?](https://www.powdervalley.com/reloading-101/is-reloading-ammo-worth-it/)** > > Reloading your own cartridges can have several benefits. Is reloading ammo worth it? The experts at Powder Valley break down the costs and benefits. I suppose you could also restrict the materials used for reloading if you can restrict ammo. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/406 "2022-11-30T23:43:31Z")
There are lots of things that people can easily do for themselves, but that most don’t, and so restricting the quick-and-convenient option has significant effects on behavior, across the population. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/407 "2022-12-01T00:11:00Z")
Car to car shooting on the freeway. > **[I-94 apparent shooting; lanes reopen from 68th to Hawley](https://www.fox6now.com/news/full-freeway-closure-i-94-westbound-hawley-68th-street)** > > The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office (MCSO) said the westbound lanes of I-94 from Hawley Road to 68th Street have reopened to traffic on Wednesday evening, Nov. 30. ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/408 "2022-12-01T00:36:36Z")
It means right-wing Americans think the idea of a years-long moratorium on the sale of new guns while the used guns settle into safe hands and guns used in crimes are destroyed is very bad. I brought it up on a right-wing board called Free Republic years ago and it didn’t go over well. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/409 "2022-12-01T03:54:19Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > What are they protecting? So what if he sold the gun legally? That maybe someone didn’t do a background check like they should have? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/410 "2022-12-01T04:17:10Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > That maybe someone didn’t do a background check like they should have? Background checks only keep guns out of the hands of people who have already committed certain crimes, not people who will do so in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/411 "2022-12-01T04:42:46Z")
Not that red flag laws really help when local law enforcement decide not to enforce, like that evil MFer in Colorado Springs recently. That fucknugget was a walking red flag who actually could have conceivably been at least deterred at an earlier stage if the local cops, like PK, didn’t decide arbitrarily which laws they they wanted to enforce. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/412 "2022-12-01T06:21:21Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > To be fair, drug dealers employ people too, and they all pay at least some taxes of some kind, even if they never file any tax forms for their drug-dealing business. What taxes are drug dealers paying? It’s all black market. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/413 "2022-12-01T06:54:59Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What taxes are drug dealers paying? I suspect this means stuff like sales tax when they spend their ill-gotten gains, etc. Basically that not _all_ their money disappears into some black-market economy. Or money laundering wouldn’t be a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/414 "2022-12-01T07:22:59Z")
That was my thought, as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/415 "2022-12-01T13:10:35Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > That fucknugget was a walking red flag who actually could have conceivably been at least deterred at an earlier stage if the local cops, like PK, didn’t decide arbitrarily which laws they they wanted to enforce. Well, at some point you have to decide which cases are the most urgent, if you have limited resources. However, I would bet that lots of people who think gun laws ought to be laxly enforced due to higher priorities would not also think that the federal government’s prioritization of dangerous illegal immigrants over run-of-the-mill ones is valid. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/416 "2022-12-01T13:21:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Basically that not _all_ their money disappears into some black-market economy. Or money laundering wouldn’t be a thing. And the point of laundering money is to legitimize (or at least create the appearance of legitimacy) it, which means paying taxes on it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/417 "2022-12-01T14:26:36Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Well, at some point you have to decide which cases are the most urgent, if you have limited resources. If you’re trying to be fair, kudos to you. Seriously. But we do too much of that, and in this case, the El Paso county (where it happened) Sheriff is publicly opposed to red flag laws and, before the Club Q shooting, bragged about not enforcing them. He’s subsequently gone quiet on the subject. Unsurprising, given the shooter has a history - he had been arrested and charged with felonies last year due to a bomb threat and with threatening to kill his mother. As I stated earlier, that guy was a huge walking red flag and nobody in their right mind would think he needed the ability to continue to purchase weapons legally, which he subsequently did and which he used to kill innocent people. It has fuck-all to do with resources and everything to do with megalomaniacal law enforcement types thinking they’re King Shit of their own pissant domains. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/418 "2022-12-01T16:12:38Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And the point of laundering money is to legitimize (or at least create the appearance of legitimacy) it, which means paying taxes on it. In the show _Breaking Bad_, one of the running storylines was that he needed a way to make it look like he had a real source of income to explain where all of his money came from. At one point he claimed to have won big gambling, and then later he bought a car wash. He did eventually pay taxes on all of that money. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/419 "2022-12-01T16:38:50Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > At one point he claimed to have won big gambling, and then later he bought a car wash. He did eventually pay taxes on all of that money. In _The Wire_ they owned a couple gyms, as it was a business where you could have hundreds of paying memberships, but an empty gym. One of the subplots there was that he was trying to make it entirely legitimate, finding that they were actually making more money on the businesses that they had bought as laundering fronts. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/420 "2022-12-01T19:32:22Z")
Just to continue with this for a moment longer: they had a plot in the comics where Batman covertly replaces the head of an international crime syndicate that of course operates a bunch of front companies — and that could easily move contraband across borders, given how many of the folks in its employ innocuously transport food or medicine or whatever — and that otherwise constantly keeps _some_ of the guys on its payroll plugging away at stuff that raises no eyebrows, the better to smooth the way for _other_ guys on the payroll to get away with various illegal activities. The punchline, of course, is that there eventually _aren’t_ any other such guys, because the businesslike façade has become the whole operation… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075/421 "2022-12-02T05:20:40Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I suspect this means stuff like sales tax when they spend their ill-gotten gains, etc. Basically that not _all_ their money disappears into some black-market economy. Correct, that was what I meant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-pkbites/950075.md?page=22)