# Pitting SayTwo **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070 "2020-10-27T23:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/181 "2021-01-04T13:10:45Z")
> [@casdave](#): > > … posters are vacating them completely. > > The result is that it is stifling those threads … As one of the posters who vacated QZ I assure you that @SayTwo was not the reason for departure nor the main cause of discussion stifling. Of the jerks who post there they barely rank. The lack of self awareness by participants in this thread is amazing, eclipsed possibly only by the degree of unjustified arrogance. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/183 "2021-01-04T13:31:23Z")
I jst managed to catch your post @asahi before you deleted, I can see why you did so but I have to agree with you. I agree that the comment by Dseid is a bit rich considering their statements in the Sweden Covid thread. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/184 "2021-01-04T13:36:01Z")
Yeah, for the record, I posted “_Hey pot, you’ve got a call from kettle on line three._” I don’t have any animosity toward you, DSeid, but going back to the Sam Wang threads in 2016, you have a tendency to be our little guru diva. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/185 "2021-01-04T13:55:51Z")
Seems to me the only thing DSeid was guilty of was a wait and see attitude and a wish to follow the numbers. He got grief in the Sweden thread because he wasn’t angry enough about Sweden’s plan. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/186 "2021-01-04T14:10:13Z")
I’m not going back to check all of the posts on that thread – I checked out because it became too tedious to debate. Taking a ‘wait and see’ attitude was not in and of itself a problem; the problem is that Sweden’s public health or governmental response to COVID was inconsistent with what were known to be current best practices being promoted by other public health agencies in other countries. Sweden wanted to be different because…reasons. So we all waited, and we saw the results. And the results were predictable, which we pointed out. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/187 "2021-01-04T14:13:16Z")
He said like a million times that the coming flu season would likely tell the tale. That’s now, not five months ago. You were treating it like he was a heretic rather than someone holding judgement. That’s how most of you argued with him in the thread. He was an apostate of the Mask Church. And I suspect you don’t want to look back at his posts because you know you won’t find your smoking gun. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/188 "2021-01-04T14:51:01Z")
The Sweden thread is a _great_ illustration. Shouting in caps. Hostility to anything other than fealty to what “is known” in a circumstance in which nothing was actually yet known. Complete misrepresentations of positions held. Stifling discussion was what seemed to be the goal. And mission accomplished. More and more of us have vacated that shitshow of a forum. There are many people who declare things with certainty and tolerate no deviation from or questioning of their revealed truths. Whose sole approach to information is to look for what validates what they imagine they already know and who react with anger to anyone even asking if the data is strong enough to confidently conclude something yet. Most often they are people who don’t know very much. Y’all seem to want QZ to be a circle jerk. Well the jerks part you’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/189 "2021-01-27T15:51:21Z")
> [@Am I missing something here? (re: reopening of bars, etc... now)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-missing-something-here-re-reopening-of-bars-etc-now/922356/1291): > > What I know is that the dance doesn’t make it rain, no matter how much one thinks it does. So I don’t worry too much about our displeasing the gods. Yeah, like if that was not a declaration of certainty eh @DSeid? The reality is that a lot of what is said by the likes of **SayTwo** is that his gods will be pleased that more human sacrifices will happen thanks to dribble from him. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/190 "2021-01-27T16:19:19Z")
That troll’s _still_ arouond? Hasn’t been banned yet? wut ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/191 "2021-01-27T19:00:18Z")
Yeah I just assumed I missed the ban, I’m also surprised. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/192 "2021-01-28T00:17:32Z")
There was blessed silence from them for a while, but they’re back to shitting on the same old topics. In the **Vaccine refuser data thread** in QZ, they argue that a statement about COVID being dangerous is "an ideologically driven point of view, “a narrow perspective, not at all open-minded,” and “smacks of paranoia.” See post 72 and on for their fine contributions. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/193 "2021-01-28T04:55:21Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > That troll’s _still_ arouond? > Hasn’t been banned yet? Nah, this fuckstick keeps on fucksticking. His bullshit is exhausting. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/194 "2021-01-28T14:04:15Z")
That bullshit about “can’t you see there could be two more categories” but not saying what they are should be warned. I’m going to report it right now. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/195 "2021-01-28T17:12:11Z")
I did. ECG responded that it was being handled in the thread. Fair enough, I took it as the OK to give saytwo grief about it. But yeah, given his history in QZ, it was obvious trolling. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/196 "2021-01-28T17:17:23Z")
I got a response from a moderator that it didn’t break any rules. I think coy bullshit like that is obvious trolling. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/197 "2021-01-28T20:00:11Z")
IIRC he was banned already from some treads for spewing misleading conclusions or ignoring evidence. Somehow his past behavior is being ignored. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/198 "2021-01-28T20:37:02Z")
He was banned from the COVID breaking news thread sometime back, according to the ATMB thread happening right now about this same poster. That ATMB thread is trouble – people will be getting warned (maybe should have already been warned) for insulting this ignorant fuckstick in the wrong forum. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/199 "2021-01-28T23:32:35Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > That ATMB thread is trouble – people will be getting warned (maybe should have already been warned) for insulting this ignorant fuckstick in the wrong forum. I think it would be a good idea that if you get warned for insulting someone who later is banned for trolling or socking… that directly upon their banning, your warning is officially and formally removed. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/200 "2021-01-29T00:46:34Z")
Wow, what a mess. I should have actually checked in on this thread back then, but I skipped it since I’d put SayTwo on ignore, and was tired of hearing from FigNorton at the time. > [@DSeid](#): > > @BigT made shit up. No, I didn’t. He called those “apostate Jews” you discussed bigots. I never said he called any poster a bigot. The whole point of my post was that he was calling people bigots, a serious thing, while then making light hearted jokes. FigNorton made so many clearly snarky, troll-like posts in that thread rather than addressing the issues people brought up. All I was doing was saying that using those tactics made him seem disingenuous, and recommending he change tactics. His entire point in that thread was that people shouldn’t care if their therapist is a Trump supporter. That’s fucking stupid. Someone should care about giving financial to aid to a Trump supporter. Someone should care about letting that Trump supporter try to fix their brain, when they have to be either stupid enough to fall for Trump’s tricks or malevolent enough to agree with him. While it hadn’t happened at the time, we saw exactly what Trump supporters could rationalize away on January 6. He found he couldn’t argue against this, so he just kept making sniping one liners. And that was what I was saying he should stop doing. It made it seem like he was trolling the thread. Oh, and I do actually suspect he didn’t know the Jew/Jewish rule and made an honest mistake. Though I also think he should have apologized to MrDibble. Based on your troll-like behavior in that thread, he had every reason to think you were trolling here, too, and used the wrong word intentionally. I will also acknowledge that I’ve not seen any other troll-like posts from @FigNorton. And that he has in fact added several good QZ posts, despite SayTwo’s attempt to make that forum useless. I am more than wiling to forgive/forget any past issues I had with the guy and focus on the actual murderous asshole that is the actual subject of this thread. And I do sincerely apologize for making you and @FigNorton upset with my posts. I was and am only trying to be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2021, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/201 "2021-01-29T00:57:57Z")
Anyways, SayTwo is a disingenuous murderous asshole. The stuff he is peddling is stuff that has resulted in _killing_ people. He’s far worse than any troll. And he definitely has made it hard to read the QZ forum, even when I have him on ignore. I wish people could ignore him, but, as I said in ATMB, I fully understand why you guys don’t. For the record, my mom died in part because she was not able to get a hospital bed due to this virus. Granted, I don’t know how much longer she had, and she at least left peacefully after her lung disease had given her anxiety worse than anything I’d ever felt, and that’s saying something. Still, it hurts all the more deeply seeing this garbage still spreading. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=11)