# Pitting SayTwo **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070 "2020-10-27T23:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/101 "2020-12-21T16:36:25Z")
Well, yeah I don’t intend to apologize to MrDibble. He’s kind of a dick and less “offended” than happily scoring internet points. If DSeid thinks I twisted his words and insulted his wife, he definitely has my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/102 "2020-12-21T16:45:13Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > Well, yeah I don’t intend to apologize to MrDibble. He’s kind of a dick and less “offended” than happily scoring internet points. > > If DSeid thinks l twisted his words and insulted his wife, he definitely has my apologies. Way to miss the point. When you’re apologizing for your poor writing, the apology isn’t to an individual, it’s to everyone who reads what you wrote. Sorry, everyone, if I failed to make that clear. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/103 "2020-12-21T16:51:34Z")
Fuck that. Dibble accused me of trolling right off the bat. I was pretty clearly not stereotyping Jewish people/therapists. So no, I’m not apologizing for people jumping to the wrong conclusion even if I chose poor wording. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/104 "2020-12-21T16:57:26Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > He’s kind of a dick and less “offended” than happily scoring internet points. My, what an impression I’ve made on you, in your short month of never interacting with me. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/105 "2020-12-21T17:02:33Z")
And your ability to see into my soul after a month is just a tribute to your awesomeness? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/106 "2020-12-21T17:06:49Z")
I didn’t jump to a conclusion based on what could have been a misstatement. But you have done all the work of making yourself pretty clear here. Fuck off, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/107 "2020-12-21T17:07:06Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > And your ability to see into my soul after a month is just a tribute to your awesomeness I don’t think anyone here wants to stare into _that_ abyss. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/108 "2020-12-21T17:19:21Z")
Oh, we _both_ know it’s been a lot longer than a month, when you add the identities up - which was my point. So no, I’ve had years, troll. You suck harder at ignoring than you do at trolling, BTW, and that’s saying a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/109 "2020-12-21T17:45:03Z")
I’m going to briefly join the fray with these examples of not arguing in good faith in this thread. An exchange between @amanset and @FigNorton in which amanset is correctly arguing that we shouldn’t simply focus on covid death rates. So FigNorton decides to grill amanset on one specific aspect of long covid (amputations). I found the exchange so frustrating, I jumped in. He then focuses on testosterone levels. Nope, not interested in further engaging. > [@Sweden do-nothing approach good, US/UK/other countries' early do-nothing approach bad. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweden-do-nothing-approach-good-us-uk-other-countries-early-do-nothing-approach-bad-why/850962/785): > > So what is Sweden’s current amputation count? > [@Sweden do-nothing approach good, US/UK/other countries' early do-nothing approach bad. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweden-do-nothing-approach-good-us-uk-other-countries-early-do-nothing-approach-bad-why/850962/787): > > I don’t know. From what I understand lung issues are far more common. I mentioned it as I thought it might resonate with the Americans reading, seeing as the White House Security Director has had part of his leg amputated. ETA: To make it clear, I was offering the range of complications that don’t involve death. I am becoming increasingly frustrated by people and media outlets that concentrate on deaths alone. But again, EVEN THEN, Sweden’s death count is bad. > [@Sweden do-nothing approach good, US/UK/other countries' early do-nothing approach bad. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweden-do-nothing-approach-good-us-uk-other-countries-early-do-nothing-approach-bad-why/850962/788): > > Well, there’s approximately 185,000 amputations every year in the United States. Do you think covid will contribute to that figure significantly? > [@Sweden do-nothing approach good, US/UK/other countries' early do-nothing approach bad. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweden-do-nothing-approach-good-us-uk-other-countries-early-do-nothing-approach-bad-why/850962/789): > > I’m not going to bother getting into speculating about American amputations. I was offering a range of serious complications that are well documented. The point was that using death as the only metric of success or failure is wrong. > [@Sweden do-nothing approach good, US/UK/other countries' early do-nothing approach bad. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweden-do-nothing-approach-good-us-uk-other-countries-early-do-nothing-approach-bad-why/850962/790): > > So give us the metric on Swedish amputations. Or lung scarring. Because everyone always says that we should talk about that but really, they don’t. It’s usually used merely as a tactic when the death count argument isn’t going right. So tell me, how is covid affecting the number of amputations or of people with permanent lung scarring? > [@Sweden do-nothing approach good, US/UK/other countries' early do-nothing approach bad. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweden-do-nothing-approach-good-us-uk-other-countries-early-do-nothing-approach-bad-why/850962/795): > > If you’re truly interested, you can read this Vox article as a starting point to do some research on long term effects of Covid. Since the virus infects so many cells, the damage can happen in several body systems. Lung damage has even been reported in people who were asymptomatic. Cognitive decline is a major lingering effect. Myocarditis, deep vein thrombosis, strokes, hypogonadism, etc. These effects sometimes last for several months. > [@Sweden do-nothing approach good, US/UK/other countries' early do-nothing approach bad. Why?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweden-do-nothing-approach-good-us-uk-other-countries-early-do-nothing-approach-bad-why/850962/797): > > I am aware these are happening, some of them quite serious. But I think a lot of it is stuff that we’d probably see in other diseases if they were studied this intently. I mean would it really shock you if men hospitalized for any number of infections had low testosterone? And " between 10 percent and 88 of Covid-19 patients will experience at least one symptom for many weeks or months" covers a whole lot of ground. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/110 "2020-12-21T18:58:11Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > Fuck that. Dibble accused me of trolling right off the bat. I was pretty clearly not stereotyping Jewish people/therapists. So no, I’m not apologizing for people jumping to the wrong conclusion even if I chose poor wording. Whatever. Bored now. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/111 "2020-12-21T19:47:27Z")
Wow, a guy with a plain white avatar is bored of me. I must be super duper boring. My apologies to all! ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/112 "2020-12-21T20:13:19Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > I didn’t call anyone in the thread a bigot. True, you didn’t say “you are a bigot”. You deliberately misquoted DSeid to suggest he was talking about bigotry, and you trolled it in twice with fake concern suggesting that my “bigotry” might be an obstacle to therapy. For someone not accusing others of being a bigot, you sure seemed to have fun introducing the term and throwing it around. You’re not a troll, but I understand why people think you are. You’re a lying moron who seems to accidentally fall into sealioning out of stupidity, butthurt, and overconfidence. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/113 "2020-12-21T22:22:43Z")
I think refusing a therapist because they aren’t religious is bigotry. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/114 "2020-12-21T22:32:54Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > I True. I refuse therapists because **they are religious**. Enlightened self-interest. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/115 "2020-12-21T22:36:46Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > I think refusing a therapist because they aren’t religious is bigotry. YMMV. Or maybe they want a therapist who is already well-versed in the arcane requirements of the orthodox culture. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/116 "2020-12-22T00:02:40Z")
Nope. If you read the thread it was specifically mentioned that they could make do with a religious christian. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/117 "2020-12-22T00:16:16Z")
Yes, but my point is there could be reasons you’re not aware of. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/118 "2020-12-22T00:20:43Z")
Like? Their therapy sessions will centre around being religious? Sure that’s possible but it was framed as a general comment. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/119 "2020-12-22T13:31:47Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > I think refusing a therapist because they aren’t religious is bigotry. There’s nothing you could say that would be too dumb to surprise me, but it’s a real shitbird move to misquote DSeid’s wife to fluff up your little opinion party. Shitbird, but nothing more than I’d expect from you. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/120 "2020-12-22T13:52:01Z")
Here’s the quote so you can see HMS is being something of a nutjob: “Bringing up the religion analogy her response included pointing out that some Orthodox Jews would exclude a more secular Jew as a therapist - to them they are apostates and better to see a righteous Gentile than an apostate. And they are right that it might get in the way of developing a functional therapeutic relationship.” How the fuck anyone sees that as anything other than religious bigotry is beyond me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=7)