# Pitting SayTwo **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070 "2020-10-27T23:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/141 "2020-12-23T00:58:43Z")
I already said, if religion is going to be a major portion of your sessions, it is a perfectly reasonable preference. The reverse, you have an extreme aversion to religion would be similar, I suppose. I would think there’s some job differentiation between a personal therapist and a spiritual counselor and some therapist bringing up your relationship with god would be completely fucked.up if that’s not explicitly what they advertise. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/142 "2020-12-23T01:25:40Z")
> [@echoreply](#): > > If you think of it as a difference between somebody who is a devout follower of a religion compared to somebody who is not a devout follower of a religion, then it makes much more sense. FTR, that is exactly how I did think of it and why it’s wrong. I am an atheist but I don’t think there is a fundamental difference between me and a devout religious person, in general. Devout religious people do bad stuff and good stuff like me. They just have a slightly different justification scheme. I think it’s good to be good to my fellow man, they think god wants them to be good to their fellow man ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/143 "2020-12-23T03:23:22Z")
I guess I need to weigh in here. > [@BigT](#): > > In the same thread you tried to call someone a bigot. This is simply an untrue statement. It should be withdrawn and the false statement apologized for. He did and does think that the behavior of some Orthodox Jews that my wife describes, that I passed on, is bigoted. And I can understand why some could think that. I do not. The key to why is the word I used in trying to explain it: that some Orthodox consider secular Jews _apostates_. An apostate is someone who has _rejected_, or at least abandoned, the beliefs, the beliefs that are perhaps _the_ core of an Orthodox Jew’s identity. Someone who has, from your POV, not rejected your most important beliefs would be preferred. A Christian, religious or secular, a non-Jewish atheist even, who meets the criteria required to be a righteous Gentile from their perspective (merely [the Noahide Laws](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-seven-noachide-laws)) is easier to develop a therapeutic alliance with. Even if religion per se is not a major subject for therapy. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/144 "2020-12-23T03:37:17Z")
Thank you. I knew you disagreed with my assessment but the idea that I twisted/misquoted you was quite ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/145 "2020-12-23T04:19:21Z")
> [@FigNorton](#): > > Yes they have differences. And anyone is free to make religious decisions based on those differences, percieved or real. That doesn’t give anyone a get out of jail card for bigotry. I still don’t see the religious bigotry you’re accusing HMS of. It sounds more like you have a grudge against them and you’re desperate for something to find fault with. So far you don’t seem to have too many supporters. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/146 "2020-12-23T04:21:11Z")
Read Dseid’s post above. Eta: oh wait, different issue. I didn’t say HMS was being religiously bigoted. Where do you think I said that? I said the part of Dseid’s post that he thought validated his opinion was based on bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/147 "2020-12-23T13:55:58Z")
Well, when you said HMS was a nutjob, I assumed they were the object of your scorn. You seem to have reconciled with DSeid, so I’ll respectfully bow out. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/148 "2020-12-23T14:12:35Z")
There was nothing to reconcile from. @BigT made shit up. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/149 "2020-12-23T14:14:49Z")
He’s the one who went off on me. I’m the object of his scorn, that made him look like a nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/150 "2020-12-23T15:12:44Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Someone who has, from your POV, not rejected your most important beliefs would be preferred. A Christian, religious or secular, a non-Jewish atheist even, who meets the criteria required to be a righteous Gentile from their perspective (merely [the Noahide Laws](https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-seven-noachide-laws)) is easier to develop a therapeutic alliance with. Even if religion per se is not a major subject for therapy So this would be closer to “Is it okay to fire my therapist because they had an affair with their receptionist and left their spouse and three kids?” The issue is that you feel like they did something really wrong, and it gets in the way of the therapeutic relationship. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/151 "2020-12-23T15:42:49Z")
I think it’s akin to thinking them a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2020, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/152 "2020-12-23T15:46:02Z")
Not to my read. It is not based on disapproval. Not sure how better to explain why going to an apostate of your faith is harder than going to someone else. They have, from that POV, rejected your core beliefs. Others never did. Oh as a secular Jew I and my wife are also disapproved of more, have sinned, but that is not why. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/153 "2020-12-24T17:41:59Z")
> [@Tfletch1](#): > > Loves how he accusing others of being unscientific. Hey @SayTwo, what’s your profession? I have it on good authority that **SayWhat?** is a professional twit. Funny thing is, even though he thinks this is all a big joke he’s working from home. My thought is: can’t professional twits _always_ just work from home? What’s in their meatspace offices that offers higher quality twittness than mom’s basement? ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/154 "2020-12-24T17:47:16Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > can’t professional twits _always_ just work from home? What’s in their meatspace offices that offers higher quality twittness than mom’s basement? No reason to be blaming this on an innocent mother (or basement). Some of my best friend’s are basements or mothers. I’m one of those two. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/155 "2020-12-24T18:08:20Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > I have it on good authority that **SayWhat?** is a professional twit. If he’s a paid troll. Otherwise, he’s just an amateur. With the volume of crap he’s spewing, he’s either unemployed or his job is paying him while he goofs around on the internets. He might have to live in mom’s basement if he gets fired. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/156 "2020-12-24T18:32:32Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > No reason to be blaming this on an innocent mother (or basement). Some of my best friend’s are basements or mothers. I’m one of those two. Cinderella’s Fairy godmother was not kind to you too uh? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/157 "2020-12-24T20:59:22Z")
> [@BippityBoppityBoo](#): > > No reason to be blaming this on an innocent mother (or basement). Some of my best friend’s are basements or mothers. I’m one of those two. You should do an “ask me anything” thread, I’m curious about the philosophical musings of basements. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/158 "2020-12-24T21:04:29Z")
Yes, Ask the Basement has a nice ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/159 "2020-12-31T05:28:58Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > […] it seems wise to recognize potential conflict in a setting where conflict wouldn’t do either the therapist or patient any good. I don’t see any example of religious bigotry. Same here. You’re allowed to have preferences for the sort of religious outlook you want in a spouse, or a best friend, or a spiritual advisor, or a therapist, without being a religious bigot. It’s not automatically bigotry if a religious Jew doesn’t feel comfortable with a secular Jew (or a Christian with a Muslim, or a Buddhist with a Hindu, or whatever) in a role of such intimate communication. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/160 "2020-12-31T05:35:31Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Not sure how better to explain why going to an apostate of your faith is harder than going to someone else. They have, from that POV, rejected your core beliefs. Others never did. Yep, it might be a bit like the way talking to a stranger about your family matters is sometimes easier than talking to a relative who’s estranged from your family. You and the “exile” have more of a background in common than you and the stranger, but it comes with some negative baggage from the past that can make honest discussion feel awkward. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=9)