# Pitting SayTwo **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2020, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070 "2020-10-27T23:06:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/161 "2020-12-31T14:26:37Z")
> [@Tfletch1](#): > > If he’s a paid troll. Otherwise, he’s just an amateur. With the volume of crap he’s spewing, he’s either unemployed or his job is paying him while he goofs around on the internets. He might have to live in mom’s basement if he gets fired. He is clearly a dunderhead that believes that he is clever by concluding that safety valves are stupid. > [@Am I missing something here? (re: reopening of bars, etc... now)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-missing-something-here-re-reopening-of-bars-etc-now/922356/1099): > > Spin data? They are using some kind of formula that counts virus patients as more than one patient, and you think it’s someone _else_ who is spinning data? After their formula counts unused beds as used and the press runs with stories that they say they are out of beds? > > I think all anyone wants to know is whether what they say, when ‘they’ say that the place is out of beds, means people will now get turned away. Not some output of their formula. One can get more from a system that way, but only for a while, eventually he is is like the fireman that had his engine blew on his face. > [@Am I missing something here? (re: reopening of bars, etc... now)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-missing-something-here-re-reopening-of-bars-etc-now/922356/1100): > > [What you demand is that we all should behave like the rookie firemen of the steam era that did not like the hissing or noise coming from engine safety valves, some did ignore the instructions about why closing the valve was not a good idea.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_Friend_of_Charleston) > > I rather listen to the experts on the field rather than an elected dunderhead that was put there by laymen. People that ignore safety valves could make something work for awhile but eventually the few that advice that usually will get the system to blow up in their faces. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/162 "2020-12-31T16:22:38Z")
> [@Am I missing something here? (re: reopening of bars, etc... now)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-missing-something-here-re-reopening-of-bars-etc-now/922356/1099): > > Spin data? They are using some kind of formula that counts virus patients as more than one patient, and you think it’s someone _else_ who is spinning data? After their formula counts unused beds as used and the press runs with stories that they say they are out of beds? In other words, the ding dong thinks that highly contagious ICU patients are the same as all the other patients. You know, it’s bad enough to have people spreading disinformation in politics, but to be doing this in health-related threads during a pandemic really diminishes the boards. I’m wondering how this isn’t breaking board rules? I’m not buying that responses to his garbage provides valuable information because he keeps bringing up the same crap over and over again. That does not move conversations along in a productive manner that is of value to readers. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/163 "2020-12-31T20:56:32Z")
Has anyone reported the problem posts? ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/164 "2021-01-01T00:31:15Z")
I see the rules in the quarantine forum but I’m not sure if how they would apply to him. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/165 "2021-01-01T21:49:12Z")
> [@Tfletch1](#): > > In other words, the ding dong thinks that highly contagious ICU patients are the same as all the other patients. > > You know, it’s bad enough to have people spreading disinformation in politics, but to be doing this in health-related threads during a pandemic really diminishes the boards. I’m wondering how this isn’t breaking board rules? > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Has anyone reported the problem posts? > [@Tfletch1](#): > > I see the rules in the quarantine forum but I’m not sure if how they would apply to him. Because, at least for what is being brought up as the example here, he is not putting forth any “disinformation” … on the other hand a claim that ICU patients are “highly contagious” is simply wrong information (peak contagiousness is way down by time someone is ill enough to be in the ICU) that is also immaterial to the issue that was at hand. For planning purposes having a formula that “adjusts” not for actual capacity but for how much capacity can be safely used up before there is not enough for anticipated other non-COVID needs makes perfect sense. It _is_ however a failure of public communication to release that as an unexplained figure of “zero% capacity”, and a failure _of the media_ (and anyone else who simply parrots the number) in understanding what they are reporting, or in fact understanding it but going with the more clickable headline/lede, as they did. If the latter then it is indeed spinning the data into disinformation. FWIW to the best of my knowledge when reports come out saying there are no open ICU beds at a specific hospital, the usual meaning is that there are is in fact no ability to put another patient into ICU level care with any diagnosis until another patient has been discharged, be it by death, or transfer to a lower level of care or different location. It does get complicated as other units can be repurposed as ICU beds (assuming staff capacity), so capacity can be over 100% of usual in special circumstances. This was an issue for reporting [in Texas](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/texas/articles/2020-07-01/change-in-how-icu-capacity-reported-in-houston-criticized) for example. A desire to communicate the seriousness of something that you do not feel some others appreciate should not justify communicating in ways that misinform. ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/166 "2021-01-02T15:33:54Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Because, at least for what is being brought up as the example here, he is not putting forth any “disinformation” … on the other hand a claim that ICU patients are “highly contagious” is simply wrong information (peak contagiousness is way down by time someone is ill enough to be in the ICU) that is also immaterial to the issue that was at hand. How nice of you to purposely misinterpret my post when I was replying to @GIGObuster’s post regarding the costs incurred by a hospital comparing those who have Covid (a contagious disease) vs those who do not have covid. Besides that, what @GIGObuster brought in was only one example of many, many examples of derailing threads. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/167 "2021-01-02T16:40:27Z")
You do you. Me? I look at _what was quoted_ as what is being replied to, which was part of a conversation about media reports of “0% ICU capacity” … no idea where the conversation about “costs incurred by a hospital comparing those who have Covid (a contagious disease) vs those who do not have covid” is in the trainwreck that that forum has become (_mainly_ wrecked by those who will brook no heresy), let alone in that thread, let alone what the point of such a discussion would be (extremely little of the cost of care of COVID-19 patients is a result of infection control practices expenses, who are relatively not “highly contagious” by the time they are in ICU, with the exception of those being ventilated as such can aerosolize). You doing you is skewed off the plane of reality, but I learned way back in medical school psychiatry rotation that one should not try to argue someone out of their delusions. So okay. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/168 "2021-01-03T18:27:50Z")
Someone mentions two cases that were counted as COVID when they shouldn’t have been. I mention there has been, if anything, undercounting, given the thousands of excess deaths last year. Ignorant Fuckstick says, “so, you’re saying that all the excess deaths are due to COVID”? What a dangerous, ignorant asshole. ---
**Author:** ![FigNorton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fignorton/32/5619_2.png) [@FigNorton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FigNorton)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/169 "2021-01-03T19:12:39Z")
He got a warning for that, fyi. > [@Predict the number dead from COVID-19 in America by end of 2020](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/predict-the-number-dead-from-covid-19-in-america-by-end-of-2020/850561/287): > > Moderator Warning That is clearly not what the poster meant, and you very surely know that. Taking into account your history in this forum, I consider that trolling. This is an official warning. Do not misrepresent a post again. Colibri QZ Moderator ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/170 "2021-01-03T19:45:07Z")
Sweet! Well deserved for that bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/171 "2021-01-03T19:48:38Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Back to the primary subject of this thread: SayTwo got his butt banned from the Breaking News COVID thread, for posting misinformation. I honestly can’t figure the justification from not banning him from all the Quarantine Zone threads. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/172 "2021-01-03T20:06:29Z")
Where else does the Fuckstick even post? ---
**Author:** ![Tfletch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tfletch1/32/5340_2.png) [@Tfletch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tfletch1)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/173 "2021-01-03T23:29:13Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > I honestly can’t figure the justification from not banning him from all the Quarantine Zone threads. Repeating the same stupid shit is trolling in my opinion. The problem is, which piece of shit post do you flag? You’d have to flag the whole thread and more than one thread. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/174 "2021-01-04T00:17:05Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Where else does the Fuckstick even post? Why does Aqualung sit on the bench by the playground? ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/175 "2021-01-04T00:35:24Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Where else does the Fuckstick even post? Nowhere else, pretty much. Other than a couple of posts in a BBQ Pit thread (about COVID), you have to go back to December 8th for a non-QZ post from him (and that was repeated posts in an ATMB thread complaining about moderation in the QZ). Other than those COVID-related forays to other fora, he hasn’t posted anywhere but QZ since at least late October (that’s the point where I got tired of scrolling through his activity log). ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/176 "2021-01-04T02:27:47Z")
So, he’s just trolling the QZ to present misinformation? Lovely. > [@Cervaise](#): > > Why does Aqualung sit on the bench by the playground? To watch all the pretty panties spread COVID disinformation? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/177 "2021-01-04T05:37:34Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > So, he’s just trolling the QZ to present misinformation? Lovely. I guess he’s the Huey\_Freeman of the QZ in that way. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/178 "2021-01-04T05:49:27Z")
> [@Tfletch1](#): > > > [@elfkin477](#): > > > > I honestly can’t figure the justification from not banning him from all the Quarantine Zone threads. > > Repeating the same stupid shit is trolling in my opinion. The problem is, which piece of shit post do you flag? You’d have to flag the whole thread and more than one thread. > [@Tfletch1](#): > > > [@elfkin477](#): > > > > I honestly can’t figure the justification from not banning him from all the Quarantine Zone threads. > > Repeating the same stupid shit is trolling in my opinion. The problem is, which piece of shit post do you flag? You’d have to flag the whole thread and more than one thread. Here’s the response I got in that thread: > [@Am I missing something here? (re: reopening of bars, etc... now)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/am-i-missing-something-here-re-reopening-of-bars-etc-now/922356/1120): > > Then ignore the poster. There is no legal requirement to continue arguing with them. Any further discussion of moderation should go in ATMB. Apparently, disinformation on medical matters is not a moddable matter anymore. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/179 "2021-01-04T08:09:08Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Apparently, disinformation on medical matters is not a moddable matter anymore. Maybe they should invite handy back, then. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070/180 "2021-01-04T10:29:14Z")
This absolute waste of a human is having another effect, by continuing to troll all the Quarantine/COVID threads posters are vacating them completely. The result is that it is stifling those threads - I am starting to think that this is the intention, the aim being to piss off so many folks that debate ceases and that this poster will be about the only person posting in them and thus will have colonised those threads - which in turn would make it appear that this is position or outlook of the SDMB. It’s very much like the schoolkid who has to have the last word and then they have “won” - except that this is not some childish game, it has real consequencies and could lead vulnerable or credulous folk into a world of counter information. This poster is simply dangerous not just to those reading the rubbish being spouted but also to the SDMB as a whole - this could easily encourage the deliberate disinformers and damage the reputation of SDMB as a whole, not to mention it is causing the sort of strife that will prompt other posters to leave. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-saytwo/924070.md?page=10)