# Pitting Shodan for stubborness **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915 "2017-05-05T15:22:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/41 "2017-05-06T16:57:15Z")
**Shodan** is a typical Trumpanzee, therefore I forgive his many sins. ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/42 "2017-05-06T19:31:11Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Bear in mind that this person typed these words, presumably thought to himself “I’m making a really good point that isn’t at all stupid!” and clicked “Submit Reply.” I think more likely he thought, “Heh, this’ll rile 'em up”. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/43 "2017-05-06T21:31:04Z")
I love posts by **Shodan** , he’s not always right, though often I do agree with him, but he’s always funny. The OP on the other hand seems like a caring dude, but he posts so incessantly, that I feel at times like he’s taken over this whole fucking board. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/44 "2017-05-06T21:33:43Z")
> [@pool](#): > > The OP on the other hand seems like a caring dude, but he posts so incessantly, that I feel at times like he’s taken over this whole fucking board. Huh. That’s a new criticism for me. I’ll consider it. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/45 "2017-05-06T21:36:08Z")
😉 It’s a really gentle criticism, on the other hand at least you’re helping to keep this place alive and active. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/46 "2017-05-07T04:44:39Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > On the day Shodan is banned, we will carry on regardless. I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/47 "2017-05-07T23:34:27Z")
I like Shodan, too. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/48 "2017-05-09T17:30:12Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The only other info I can add is that this is just a thing that often happens to black kids in school. And black women in general. People will just cop a feel of their hair. It’s widespread enough that it’s a general taboo: you’re specifically told “don’t touch a black woman’s hair.” Everyone that has been “specifically told ‘don’t touch a black woman’s hair’” please raise your (virtual) hands. I’ve been around for over 4 decades and have never received this specific advice. Thankfully, I’ve never needed it. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/49 "2017-05-09T17:38:57Z")
Seriously, I had learned more generally to keep my hands to myself by kindergarten. I’d never seen a black person up close at that point, and no one had to tell me not to go poking at them when I did later. I was a bit jealous of the little black girls hair, as I had to sleep on curlers to get mine to do anything but hang limply or tangle up in a rat’s nest, but I didn’t realize theirs took just as much work to keep neat. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/50 "2017-05-09T17:56:14Z")
If the thread has no tangent to politics, \*\*Shodan \*\*is alright. Any politics involved? He’s rude, condescending, and contemptible. All would be forgiven if he wasn’t downright stupid on top of it. Unfortunately for **Shodan** , 90% of the Dope involves politics in some form. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/51 "2017-05-09T18:03:19Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > If the thread has no tangent to politics, \*\*Shodan \*\*is alright. Any politics involved? He’s rude, condescending, and contemptible. All would be forgiven if he wasn’t downright stupid on top of it. Unfortunately for **Shodan** , 90% of the Dope involves politics in some form. I concur with this. There’s room for honest debate over liberal versus conservative values, but I rarely see this from Shodan. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/52 "2017-05-10T12:09:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Pitting Shodan for stubborness What’s next, pitting snakes for slitheriness? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/53 "2017-05-10T14:20:00Z")
Well, there is another thread Pitting **Bricker** for blather. Regards, Sssshodan ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/54 "2017-05-10T14:22:49Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > Everyone that has been “specifically told ‘don’t touch a black woman’s hair’” please raise your (virtual) hands. > > I’ve been around for over 4 decades and have never received this specific advice. Thankfully, I’ve never needed it. To be honest, it is something I’ve come across, but in a more general sense, since I went to an all boys school. I mean, the rule should obviously be, don’t touch anyone’s hair (without permission). ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/55 "2017-05-10T15:16:31Z")
I like **Shodan** for the same reason I have come to like **Bricker**. They refuse to be shouted down and insulted into silence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/56 "2017-05-10T15:26:25Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I like **Shodan** for the same reason I have come to like **Bricker**. They refuse to be shouted down and insulted into silence. Not that I disagree… but is there any Doper who has been “shouted down and insulted into silence”? Or do you just mean Dopers who have left? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/57 "2017-05-10T15:29:16Z")
This is another one that I think breaks down along political or party lines. I don’t have an issue with Shodan, personally (nor his tag line which seems to drive folks around here wild), though I do wish he’d get back to posting like he did years ago, when he seemed to put a lot more into his posts. I think I can see why he doesn’t post like that anymore…sort of why we don’t see much of Sam Stone anymore. I used to rank Shodan up with some of the better conservative posters on this board, but good conservative posters are few and far between now around here. I do think the OP was right on this one, however. Was a good and justified pitting, IMHO FWIW. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/58 "2017-05-10T15:29:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not that I disagree… but is there any Doper who has been “shouted down and insulted into silence”? Or do you just mean Dopers who have left? I’ve seen several posters who have said that they don’t or no longer comment in political threads because they find the heated reactions to alternative viewpoints unpleasant. This sort of thing is not to everyone’s taste. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/59 "2017-05-10T15:35:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Not that I disagree… but is there any Doper who has been “shouted down and insulted into silence”? Or do you just mean Dopers who have left? When I joined this board in 2003, it was because a startlingly wide array of topics were discussed and debated. There were many interesting people here who had many different points of view. Board culture now seems to be mainly centered around looking for things over which to be offended and people to scold. People whose interest doesn’t center around those things have gone away. **Shodan** and **Bricker** , whether or not I agree with their politics, keep this place from devolving into nothing but an endless circle jerk of outrage and superiority. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/60 "2017-05-10T15:38:32Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’ve seen several posters who have said that they don’t or no longer comment in political threads because they find the heated reactions to alternative viewpoints unpleasant. This sort of thing is not to everyone’s taste. When a reasoned position someone holds leads to implied (or hell, directly stated) connotations of racism, fascism, murder, cruelty, etc etc, and you hear that day after day, week after week or year after year, with your posts being viciously attacked by the boards more loony lefty types while being hotly debated by just about everyone else, it’s easy to see why a lot of the more conservative posters are either knee-jerk posters who lash back and look for every instance of liberal hypocrisy to attack or have just given up at this point. It’s difficult to be in a situation where a large majority are against every political position you hold and you have to justify every statement by 20 people asking you for cites to back up what you are saying, all the while they get free passes on stuff that the majority of the board just accepts and thus requires no cite…or that you have 20 people willing to go out and look for a cite while you basically have to do all the leg work on your side each time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915.md?page=4)