# Pitting Shodan for stubborness **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915 "2017-05-05T15:22:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/61 "2017-05-10T15:51:12Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > When I joined this board in 2003, it was because a startlingly wide array of topics were discussed and debated. There were many interesting people here who had many different points of view. Board culture now seems to be mainly centered around looking for things over which to be offended and people to scold. People whose interest doesn’t center around those things have gone away. **Shodan** and **Bricker** , whether or not I agree with their politics, keep this place from devolving into nothing but an endless circle jerk of outrage and superiority. One poster’s “looking for things over which to be offended and people to scold” is another’s “pointing out and challenging injustice that for too long has gone unchallenged”. I have little doubt that with every bit of progress in this country and this world, there were old fuddy-duddies complaining about how the younger generation are just whining about some bullshit, like slavery, or women’s rights, or civil rights, or gay rights, or trans rights, that’s really way overblown and not worth spending much time on. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/62 "2017-05-10T15:53:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > One poster’s “looking for things over which to be offended and people to scold” is another’s “pointing out and challenging injustice that for too long has gone unchallenged”. > > I have little doubt that with every bit of progress in this country and this world, there were old fuddy-duddies complaining about how the younger generation are just whining about some bullshit, like slavery, or women’s rights, or civil rights, or gay rights, or trans rights, that’s really way overblown and not worth spending much time on. I have no doubt that you are just about the most sanctimonious person I have ever encountered. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/63 "2017-05-10T15:56:08Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > I have no doubt that you are just about the most sanctimonious person I have ever encountered. What part of my post do you disagree with? I wasn’t stating my opinion on an issue – just what seems to me to be common sense. I wasn’t even stating that one way of looking at it was superior – just that inevitably there will be multiple ways of looking at things like this. Sorry for pissing you off so much lately. Just trying to express myself and discuss things. I enjoy our discussions, whether or not you do. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/64 "2017-05-10T16:02:14Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Board culture now seems to be mainly centered around looking for things over which to be offended and people to scold. BigT has stated this is his purpose here. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/65 "2017-05-10T16:09:58Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > BigT has stated this is his purpose here. He is scarcely alone. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/66 "2017-05-10T16:17:38Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > When I joined this board in 2003, it was because a startlingly wide array of topics were discussed and debated. There were many interesting people here who had many different points of view. Board culture now seems to be mainly centered around looking for things over which to be offended and people to scold. People whose interest doesn’t center around those things have gone away. **Shodan** and **Bricker** , whether or not I agree with their politics, keep this place from devolving into nothing but an endless circle jerk of outrage and superiority. Come now, all circle jerks must end. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/67 "2017-05-10T16:20:08Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Come now, all circle jerks must end. I see what you did there. Well done! ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/68 "2017-05-10T16:28:27Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > When I joined this board in 2003, it was because a startlingly wide array of topics were discussed and debated. There were many interesting people here who had many different points of view. Board culture now seems to be mainly centered around looking for things over which to be offended and people to scold. People whose interest doesn’t center around those things have gone away. **Shodan** and **Bricker** , whether or not I agree with their politics, keep this place from devolving into nothing but an endless circle jerk of outrage and superiority. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > BigT has stated this is his purpose here. Sounds like he is going to Yenta U; and is top of the class. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/69 "2017-05-10T16:31:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What part of my post do you disagree with? I wasn’t stating my opinion on an issue – just what seems to me to be common sense. I wasn’t even stating that one way of looking at it was superior – just that inevitably there will be multiple ways of looking at things like this. > > Sorry for pissing you off so much lately. Just trying to express myself and discuss things. I enjoy our discussions, whether or not you do. I do think you tend to demonize conservative posters a bit too much. I remember when Clothahump got suspended, you put up a list of other conservatives/trolls to put on the watch list. Yes, it’s part and parcel of the Pit, but you resembled the peasant with the biggest torch leading the crowd to the next witch burning. It certainly vindicated the usual conservative Doper complaint that they were being unfairly targeted. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/70 "2017-05-10T16:39:20Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I do think you tend to demonize conservative posters a bit too much. I remember when Clothahump got suspended, you put up a list of other conservatives/trolls to put on the watch list. Yes, it’s part and parcel of the Pit, but you resembled the peasant with the biggest torch leading the crowd to the next witch burning. It certainly vindicated the usual conservative Doper complaint that they were being unfairly targeted. Do you have a cite for this? Or any other post from me in which I have demonized conservative posters? I can remember the posters I’ve attacked personally, and unless my memory’s way, way off, I can count them on one hand. I think you might be thinking of another poster. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/71 "2017-05-10T17:10:17Z")
That doesn’t sound like **iiandyiiii** to me. I’d like to see a reference to the thread/post in question. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/72 "2017-05-10T18:40:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think you might be thinking of another poster. [I believe so.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=816818) ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/73 "2017-05-10T20:11:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What part of my post do you disagree with? I wasn’t stating my opinion on an issue – just what seems to me to be common sense. I wasn’t even stating that one way of looking at it was superior – just that inevitably there will be multiple ways of looking at things like this. > > Sorry for pissing you off so much lately. Just trying to express myself and discuss things. I enjoy our discussions, whether or not you do. You don’t piss me off. Your heart is undeniably in the right place and your manners are good. I am no more than impatient with your impetuous idealism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/74 "2017-05-10T23:22:00Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I do think you tend to demonize conservative posters a bit too much. I remember when Clothahump got suspended, you put up a list of other conservatives/trolls to put on the watch list. Yes, it’s part and parcel of the Pit, but you resembled the peasant with the biggest torch leading the crowd to the next witch burning. It certainly vindicated the usual conservative Doper complaint that they were being unfairly targeted. Care to follow up on this? I think you pegged me wrong. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/75 "2017-05-10T23:33:40Z")
That’s why there are “safe words”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/76 "2017-05-11T11:07:25Z")
“Ow… traffic cone. _Traffic cone_!” ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/77 "2017-05-11T11:57:02Z")
Juvenile, but funny. I laughed. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/78 "2017-05-11T12:11:52Z")
My google fu is failing me right now, but there was a Pit thread discussing Clothy’s suspension, and I thought I remembered iiandyii posting about other potential trolls to keep an eye on. When I included “iiandyii” in the search, google asked if I meant “icandy.” He didn’t start the thread. Maybe I’m having another senior moment. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/79 "2017-05-11T12:14:22Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > My google fu is failing me right now, but there was a Pit thread discussing Clothy’s suspension, and I thought I remembered iiandyii posting about other potential trolls to keep an eye on. When I included “iiandyii” in the search, google asked if I meant “icandy.” He didn’t start the thread. > > Maybe I’m having another senior moment. You got the number of i’s wrong – 2 i’s, then andy, then 4 i’s. But I’m pretty sure you’re having another senior moment. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/80 "2017-05-11T12:33:26Z")
**Knowed Out** , is this the post you were thinking of? I do mention several conservative Dopers in it. > [@Mr. Clothahump, if you will](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mr-clothahump-if-you-will/783422/236): > > There are plenty of conservative Dopers who, for the most part, can get along with other Dopers and can “disagree agreeably” on political issues – **Bricker, Shodan, adaher, HurricaneDitka, octopus** , and **Bone** , for example – I wonder how **Clothahump** explains them. Sure, they trade insults sometimes (as do many liberal Dopers), but they also trade reasonable discussion quite often. Do they exist in **Clothy’s** world? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915.md?page=5)