# Pitting Shodan for stubborness **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915 "2017-05-05T15:22:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 84
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915/84 "2017-05-11T14:30:48Z")
> [@Republitrolls.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/republitrolls/777646/100): > > This demonstrates the biggest reason why I’m glad I joined the Navy - I served with all kinds of people, and it forced me to get over the juvenile stance that people who disagreed with me were just divorced from reality, or stupid, or dishonest. No, it taught me that depending on their experiences, thoughtful and decent people can reach very different conclusions. It’s a shame that this juvenile belief is so widespread, though. Even though we disagree, I believe that you, OMG, came about your positions honestly, and you’re probably a decent guy, even if you think I’m divorced from reality because I’m generally liberal. My issue is that it is clear that none of these conservatives being discussed clearly share my core values and ideals (honesty, integrity, fairness, concern for the truth no matter what it might be, capacity to introspect, compassion, ability to grasp other perspectives without bias or distortion), because I see them violate each of these ideals in pretty much every post I see from them. So maybe they did come by their positions “honestly”, and/or may indeed be “decent” individuals–but the end result, either way, is that I end up seeing a bunch of illogical, simplistic, and divisive/dualistic blather that I’d rather not have to plow through. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-shodan-for-stubborness/785915)._