# Pitting Steophan, and any of the other lying liars from the now-closed Kavanaugh thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 7, 2018, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604 "2018-10-07T12:02:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/81 "2018-10-09T11:41:01Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > So, you don’t believe it happened, but if it did, you think attempted rape of a minor is a misdemeanor? It was, according to the reports, a misdemeanor at the time in Maryland. And Kavanaugh was also a minor at the time. Laws and standards change, but we should judge people according to the laws and standards at the time it allegedly happened. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/82 "2018-10-09T11:43:05Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > My mistake. I thought you were American. Mea culpa No problem. I do participate in the UK political threads here, but there aren’t any that I’ve seen at the moment. And US politics affects the whole world, which is why I’m interested in it ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/83 "2018-10-09T12:57:22Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No, I didn’t vote for Trump, I’m not one of those cursed foreigners interfering in your elections. But were I to have been able to vote then, I’d either have voted for Hilary despite great misgivings, I feel compelled to ask: _What_ “great misgivings”? > [@](#): > > or not voted for president at all. It’s looking likely that I’ll have a similar Hobson’s choice here in the next few months as the Brexit shambles limps on - between an insane and seiftly right-moving Tory party that is determined to leave the EU and damn the consequences, or an actual communist who _might_ keep us in despite his actual beliefs. Or the third party I often vote for, that currently has a tiny share of the votes and is currently lead by a clueless man in his late 70s… Fun times. You’re British? I’m given to understand that you don’t actually vote for Prime Minister, but rather you vote for your MP and it’s up to the majority (or coalition) party’s MPs to put forth their leader for the monarch to “request to form a government”. Not voting at all isn’t a way to effect change, though. > [@](#): > > As for Kavanaugh, his views alone should have kept him off the court. I’ve not seen anything about his performance in court, but if he acts like he did at the Senate hearing, that too should disqualify him. But, in the eyes of the only people who matter at this stage, the Senate, those things didn’t, so here we are. And an uncorroborated accusation of a misdemeanour decades ago should have no bearing either way. Guess I’ll be using the expression twice in one post: I’m given to understand that there was corroborating evidence, but the “investigation” and the Senate (both the committee and the full Senate) decided not to give credence to it. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/84 "2018-10-09T13:33:38Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I feel compelled to ask: _What_ “great misgivings”? Obviously only out for herself and, to a lesser extent, her family and party. Probably a criminal. Defended her rapist husband and attacked his accusers. Not proven herself to be a good politician, negotiator, or democrat (in the sense of international relations). Appears to have no actual policies or principles. Basically, all the things that are wrong with Trump, but to a \*much \*lesser degree. She’s the second-worst mainstream presidential candidate I remember. > [@](#): > > You’re British? I’m given to understand that you don’t actually vote for Prime Minister, but rather you vote for your MP and it’s up to the majority (or coalition) party’s MPs to put forth their leader for the monarch to “request to form a government”. Not voting at all isn’t a way to effect change, though. Yes, and you vote for electors who then choose a President, as well as local and state congresspeople who may or may not actually represent your views. It’s often a balance between voting for the best individual as a local MP and voting for a party to make a point. At the last general election, I voted for the party most opposed to Brexit (the Liberal Democrats) as in my opinion that issue far outweighs anything else, local or national, as it will have effects for generations to come, and can’t easily be undone if it happens. I’d say it’s more equivalent to a constitutional amendment that a normal governmental election, in US terms. > [@](#): > > Guess I’ll be using the expression twice in one post: I’m given to understand that there was corroborating evidence, but the “investigation” and the Senate (both the committee and the full Senate) decided not to give credence to it. As I understand it, no witness has said that they remember being at a party with her, Kavanaugh and Judge, and no-one has said (without retracting it) that Ford named Kavanaugh as an abuser before this decade. Those are things that I would look for as corroboration, personally. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/85 "2018-10-09T13:42:25Z")
> In the linked piece, it would appear as though there is a mountain of corroborating evidence, as per the definition, but it all seems circumstantial. Enough to disqualify you for a job, but not enough to prosecute in a court setting. What is lacking is direct evidence of the assault. We have corroboration, we have circumstantial, we don’t have direct evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/86 "2018-10-09T14:30:30Z")
Re Post #84: What a load of rubbish. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/87 "2018-10-09T17:50:43Z")
> [@Bookkeeper](#): > > I wonder if Kavanaugh had no memory of the incident not because it never happened or because he blacked out, but because parties like this, with lots of drinking, much the same group of boys, a girl or two, and going off into a room for sex, consensual or not, were so common that they all ran together in his memory, and the memories of Judge and the others. Honestly I think that this is probably what happened. Slightly Drunk, Kananaugh and his friend decide to have some fun with the uptight girl in the upstairs bedroom. He tackles her cops a feel and tries to take off her top, she’s resisting and screaming but that’s just for show, he’ll cover her mouth so she won’t disturb the other party goers. Was he wanting to rape her? Don’t know, maybe not, probably hadn’t thought that far ahead. His friend tries to join in the fun and they all end up on the floor laughing, then she runs out of the room. HA HA HA what a goof well lets go back to the party. Although this memory haunted Ford for decades, it probably didn’t register a blip on Kavanaugh’s radar. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2018, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604/88 "2018-10-09T23:41:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Re Post #84: What a load of rubbish. Calling it rubbish is unfair to actual rubbish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan-and-any-of-the-other-lying-liars-from-the-now-closed-kavanaugh-thread/822604.md?page=4)