# Pitting Steophan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678 "2017-09-06T22:34:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/201 "2021-12-03T00:18:22Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > I’m starting to think it’s a bot. Beep boop. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/202 "2021-12-03T00:18:30Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’m not stupid. [Citation needed] ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/203 "2021-12-03T00:19:29Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Nope. I know a bunch of loudmouths will say that, and that anyone who cares to look will see that he’s said that, and see through his pathetic attempts to deflect and refuse to state his position. These other people who support you are fictional constructs of your mind. Given your track record, I’m sure you’ll insist that there are many people in this very thread who have supported you, and when asked to point out who it is, you’ll just insist that they are here and that you’re not going to do our work for us by quoting them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/204 "2021-12-03T00:20:33Z")
Just quote me, liar. Give us a link and a specific quote. Do that, and I’ll stop calling you a liar. Hell, I’ll even apologize for it! ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/205 "2021-12-03T00:20:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > These other people who support you are fictional constructs of your mind. It’s unusual to see extreme solipsism about somebody else’s mind… ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/206 "2021-12-03T00:26:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Just quote me, liar. Give us a link and a specific quote. Do that, and I’ll stop calling you a liar. He’ll, I’ll even apologize for it! Just say what you actually think about Rittenhouse and Zimmerman. Say that they’re not murderers and prove me a liar. Until then you are just spouting nonsense. You know I’m not lying. You know you’re in a hole and digging deeper, with no way out but to admit you’re wrong. You’ll feel better in the long run if you do, though. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/207 "2021-12-03T00:28:36Z")
You made claims about me, about what I said, that turn out to be false. You’re refusing to back them up, and you’re refusing to retract them. That makes you a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/208 "2021-12-03T00:34:22Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You know I’m not lying. You know you’re in a hole and digging deeper, with no way out but to admit you’re wrong. You’ll feel better in the long run if you do, though. You’re really making yourself look bad Steophan. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > The only thing you have established for us is that, deep down, you mistakenly think you have the ability to read minds. There is a great deal of truth to this. > [@Steophan](#): > > I’m not stupid. I honestly believe this. You seem pretty intelligent, which is what makes your tactics here seem especially childish. “You just know you think these things, admit it.” You are not stupid, so you know that when we accuse you of prevaricating you have no defense. A person with no defense will instead attack. You are engaging in what is often called “flaming out” in online communities. You’re engaged in the rhetorical equivalent of biting your own face off. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/209 "2021-12-03T00:34:42Z")
Repeating that won’t affect its falsehood. What might is saying that Rittenhouse and Zimmerman are not murderers, and showing the posts where you said that. But until you do that - because you’ve been asked so often - my claim that you believe they are murderers remains true, and teh evidence for it becomes stronger each time, if your own words - that you yourself quoted - in the thread we are now posting in - aren’t enough. And I don’t know why they wouldn’t be. Is your short term memory impaired? If so you’ll have my sympathy and I’ll drop this. But that’s the only thing I can think of that would make you continue this nonsense. It’s getting close to gaslighting at this point, deliberately claiming that things are other than one can clearly see them to be. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/210 "2021-12-03T00:35:22Z")
Guys Stephan doesn’t have to cite any of his claim about iiandyiii any more than I have to cite the fact that Stephan repeatedly says that he approves of the KKK and thinks that Emit Till committed suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/211 "2021-12-03T00:35:39Z")
Fair. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/212 "2021-12-03T00:36:04Z")
Your claim was about words I said, not what I think. I don’t care what you think I think, but you made a claim about things I said, and that claim is false, and I’d like you to either backup your claim about words I’ve said, with a cite and a quote, or retract it and apologize. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/213 "2021-12-03T00:37:34Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Just say what you actually think about Rittenhouse and Zimmerman. Say that they’re not murderers and prove me a liar. But that _wouldn’t_ prove you a liar. You claimed he already said they’re murderers; if he did, and said otherwise now, that wouldn’t make what you’d said a lie — and, if he _hadn’t_ already said it, but now _did_, that wouldn’t mean you’d told the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/214 "2021-12-03T00:39:06Z")
To reply to the quote from **Czarcasm** in your post no, I think I can read _posts_. I believe I have a decent grasp of the English language, and can understand what people mean by what they post. > [@Atamasama](#): > > “You just know you think these things, admit it.” **iiandyiiii** is accusing me of saying he believes something he didn’t say. If that’s true, he can easily deny that he believes it - but for his own reasons (or lack of them, perhaps) he won’t. I’m genuinely starting to wonder if he doesn’t believe in the whole concept of truth and this is just him having some twisted fun. I can’t see a logical reason not to say what he actually thinks and move on. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/215 "2021-12-03T00:40:01Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Guys Stephan doesn’t have to cite any of his claim about iiandyiii any more than I have to cite the fact that Stephan repeatedly says that he approves of the KKK and thinks that Emit Till committed suicide. Dunno who Stephan is, he sounds like a dick. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/216 "2021-12-03T00:40:27Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > **iiandyiiii** is accusing me of saying he believes something he didn’t say He’s accusing you of saying he _said_ something he didn’t say. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/217 "2021-12-03T00:41:39Z")
Sorry, Steophan. It’s not my fault you can’t spell your name correctly. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/218 "2021-12-03T00:42:22Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > **iiandyiiii** is accusing me of saying he believes something he didn’t say. This is false. I don’t care what you say I believe. I’m accusing you of saying that I _said_ something which I didn’t say. You claimed that I said Rittenhouse is a murderer, and Zimmerman is a murderer. Those claims about what I said are false, and you haven’t provided a cite with a quote to support your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/219 "2021-12-03T00:42:33Z")
No, he is accusing you of saying he SAID something he didn’t say. He can’t prove a negative, so the burden is on you to prove that he did, in fact, say that. Which should be trivially easy if he did say it. I can’t see any logical reason why you wouldn’t just quote the post where he said that. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/220 "2021-12-03T00:43:25Z")
Steophan, will you go on record as saying iiandyiii is not currently wearing a blue shirt? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678.md?page=12)