# Pitting Steophan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678 "2017-09-06T22:34:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/221 "2021-12-03T00:43:51Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > I can’t see any logical reason why you wouldn’t just quote the post where he said that. I can think of one - he’s lying. Immoral, but nonetheless a logical explanation for why he won’t produce a quote. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/222 "2021-12-03T00:45:36Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’m not stupid. Yeah, actually, you are. Kind of remarkably so. Your general inability to think your way from point A to point B is, perhaps, your most salient feature as a poster here. The root cause of a lot of the disagreements you get in here is that you’re genuinely too dumb to understand the arguments you find yourself in. I base this not only on arguments I’ve seen you in where I disagree with you, but also on your arguments in support of ideas I also support. Even when you reach the right conclusion, you almost invariably reach it through dumb ways. This isn’t meant as an insult, merely a factual observation. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/223 "2021-12-03T00:46:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Those claims about what I said are false, and you haven’t provided a cite with a quote to support your claim. You posted that cite when you revived this thread. Stop the gaslighting and mind games and say what you believe about them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/224 "2021-12-03T00:48:46Z")
Which one? This one? > [@Arbery Shooting in Georgia and Citizen's Arrest \[& similar shootings\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/arbery-shooting-in-georgia-and-citizens-arrest-similar-shootings/853815/482): > > We’ve discussed all this before. Many people can be legitimately described as murderers even if they weren’t ultimately convicted (for example – KKK murderers who weren’t prosecuted or who were “exonerated” by a white supremacist judicial system in the early and mid 20th US). “Murderer” is not only a legal term, it’s also used outside of purely legal contexts. As for the specifics of the Zimmerman case, that’s been done to death in other threads (and would be a hijack here), and the two of ou… If it’s that one, where did I call Rittenhouse or Zimmerman a murderer? Be specific with a quote. If it’s not that one, then which post? Cite it and quote it. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/225 "2021-12-03T00:50:46Z")
The irony of this when so much of what I’ve posted recently has been about the importance of reason over emotion… In so many cases I see people arguing that because they dislike the conclusion the reasoning must be false - I’ve certainly been that person in some cases and sometimes this site has set me straight. Unfortunately that is dying here, and emotional conclusions seem to be all that’s wanted. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/226 "2021-12-03T00:51:40Z")
Which emotions are driving you to make uncited and false claims about things I’ve said and then refuse to retract them? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/227 "2021-12-03T00:51:40Z")
Oh if you want to get into logic and reason, answer my question about Andy’s blue shirt. This will be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/228 "2021-12-03T00:53:12Z")
As I said many posts ago, exactly that along with the context from the previous thread. The context being calling Zimmerman and Rittenhouse murderers despite them being found not guilty, something you agreed with in the quoted post and many others. Glad you’ve acknowleged that I wasn’t lying, though. Now answer the question, do you think Rittenhouse and Zimmerman are murderers? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/229 "2021-12-03T00:53:18Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The irony of this when so much of what I’ve posted recently has been about the importance of reason over emotion… I think anyone who has read any of your posts is certainly cognizant of the irony inherent in you criticizing other posters for not employing their reason. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/230 "2021-12-03T00:54:44Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > As I said many posts ago, exactly that along with the context from the previous thread. The context being calling Zimmerman and Rittenhouse murderers despite them being found not guilty, something you agreed with in the quoted post and many others. Quote any of this. And which previous thread? I didn’t say any of this in that post I linked to. I said nothing at all about Rittenhouse or Zimmerman in that post. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/231 "2021-12-03T00:59:40Z")
Context matters. Now answer the question. Do you believe they are murderers? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/232 "2021-12-03T01:00:33Z")
Do you believe Andy is currently wearing a blue shirt? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/233 "2021-12-03T01:00:35Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Context matters. What context? Please be specific. Quote me and quote the supposed context. Because I didn’t say anything specific about Zimmerman or Rittenhouse on that post. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/234 "2021-12-03T01:01:33Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Do you believe Andy is currently wearing a blue shirt? I have no beliefs about his shirt. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/235 "2021-12-03T01:02:21Z")
Ah, so you do think he’s wearing a blue shirt. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/236 "2021-12-03T01:03:32Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What context? Please be specific. Quote me and quote the supposed context. Because I didn’t say anything specific about Zimmerman or Rittenhouse on that post. No. I’ve explained the context in great detail many times. You are supporting calling ZImmerman and Rittenhouse murderers despite them being cleared, that is the context of your post, as is clear from reading the thread it’s from. You are calling me a liar for reading and comprehending your posts, which is basically gaslighting. Answer the question. Do you believe they are murderers? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/237 "2021-12-03T01:04:44Z")
I think nothing about his shirt. Maybe I’m unusual in this, but I don’t form mental images of people I’m talking to on the internet. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/238 "2021-12-03T01:05:03Z")
Then just come out and say he’s not wearing a blue shirt. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/239 "2021-12-03T01:06:42Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > I’ve explained the context in great detail many times. No you haven’t, not a single time, at least not with actual quotes and links. > [@](#): > > You are supporting calling ZImmerman and Rittenhouse murderers despite them being cleared, that is the context of your post, as is clear from reading the thread it’s from. Where? I made a factual assertion, that “murderer” is not just a purely legal term. I said nothing about Rittenhouse or Zimmerman, and nothing agreeing (or disagreeing) with any other claims about them. Where are you getting this crap? And why are you refusing to provide quotes and cites? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/240 "2021-12-03T01:07:14Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Then just come out and say he’s not wearing a blue shirt. Why would I say that? I have no idea about any of his shirts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678.md?page=13)