# Pitting Steophan **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678 "2017-09-06T22:34:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/301 "2021-12-03T20:12:55Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > I rather suspect that you’d be the one shocked if you understood how you were being perceived and judged here, namely, as a clueless asshole. > > I’m pretty sure I know how I’m percieved. That perception won’t change the fact that those on the left fundamentally misunderstand the nature of an attack - whether that’s the idea that a simple observation in a post is an attack, or legally carrying a weapon is an attack, or asking someone why they’re in a private place is an attack. It all ties in amazingly well, and pretty much proves my point. > > The mods here can redefine words as much as they like for the purposes of running their forum, and can ultimately kick me out if they want. But those redefinitions won’t work in the real world. What, “those on the left” don’t exist in the real world? But never mind, I get it now. Every member of this board, including the moderators, is a delusional leftie, so deluded and irrational that they don’t understand what an “attack” is, either a verbal one or a physical one. Only you, and you alone, can set these imbeciles straight on the matter with such pithy nuggets of wisdom as “it’s not an insult if it’s True”, where “Truth” is determined by you alone and not the deluded masses “on the left”. Also, you’ve never insulted anyone. You have, as I understand it, merely made purely factual observations that individuals who disagree with you simply have no system of morality or rational capacity and are consumed by irrational emotion, somewhat in the manner of wild animals. This is not an insult because it’s “true”. I see it all now. Thank you for clarifying all this for us. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/302 "2021-12-03T20:19:12Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > An acquittal isn’t proof of innocence. While Steophan has said some extremely ridiculous things, he _has_ acknowledged that acquittal isn’t proof of innocence. > [@Steophan](#): > > The verdict doesn’t _prove_ him innocent, I will grant, as it doesn’t need to He does feel that “evidence” is proof of innocence though… > [@Steophan](#): > > What I’m not wrong about is that the evidence provided at the trials of both Rittenhouse and Zimmerman proves they were innocent. The court won’t announce this because it doesn’t need to, it’s not their job to, because in general we don’t expect people to prove their innocence we presume it. And he feels that somehow his opinion that they are innocent is a fact, and anyone who disagrees with him is ignoring facts. That is where his cognitive dissonance gets in the way of what could potentially be a productive discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/303 "2021-12-03T20:20:21Z")
No it isn’t that the leftists on the board are deluded. That would be too easy. We secretly know that he is right, but for some as yet unstated nefarious reason have all teamed up to gaslight him. The entire message board, nay the entire world, is united with the singular goal of denying reality to drive him insane. Its the only possible explanation. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/304 "2021-12-03T20:21:29Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The entire message board, nay the entire world, is united with the singular goal of denying reality to drive him insane. Mission accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/305 "2021-12-03T20:31:04Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The entire message board, nay the entire world, is united with the singular goal of denying reality to drive him insane. Its the only possible explanation. No, no, no, there are millions of silent people on this message board cheering him on, they are just drowned out by a “bunch of loudmouths”. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/306 "2021-12-03T20:31:42Z")
Don’t exaggerate, not millions, only thousands. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/307 "2021-12-03T20:36:49Z")
We do “teem” though. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/308 "2021-12-04T00:28:29Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And he knows this, because he’s alleged people were guilty who were acquitted. Heck, I’m pretty sure it was he who brought up OJ Simpson, a well known case of someone acquitted who was guilty. Yes, and the murderers of Emmett Till. It’s almost like it’s the evidence that matters, rather than the politics or skin colour of the accused. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/309 "2021-12-04T01:36:34Z")
Right, evidence matters. Evidence is why murderous scumbag Michael Dunn was convicted, and why Dunn’s own story was rejected by the jury. What is the evidence for your claims that I called Rittenhouse and Zimmerman murderers? So far you’ve presented no such evidence, only a post in which I said nothing at all about those two individuals. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/310 "2021-12-04T02:55:20Z")
This is one of the most tedious internet arguments I’ve ever seen. Steophan is basically the black knight in _Monty Python and the Holy Grail._ ---
**Author:** ![Capn\_Carl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Capn\_Carl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capn_Carl)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/311 "2021-12-04T03:02:18Z")
Ha! The resemblance is uncanny. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/312 "2021-12-04T03:02:47Z")
OMG! Perfect. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/313 "2021-12-04T03:15:32Z")
That is a terrific metaphor. What are you gonna do, bleed on me? ---
**Author:** ![Latimera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/latimera/32/497_2.png) [@Latimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latimera)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/314 "2021-12-04T06:03:49Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > This is one of the most tedious internet arguments I’ve ever seen. Steophan is basically the black knight in _Monty Python and the Holy Grail._ LOL! Perfect… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/315 "2021-12-04T06:23:45Z")
Only instead of attempting to swing a sword, he attempts to sling shit. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2021, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/316 "2021-12-04T12:15:33Z")
“Come back here! I’ll shit on you…!” ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2021, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678/317 "2021-12-06T09:02:55Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > And he knows this, because he’s alleged people were guilty who were acquitted. Heck, I’m pretty sure it was he who brought up OJ Simpson, a well known case of someone acquitted who was guilty. > > Yes, and the murderers of Emmett Till. It’s almost like it’s the evidence that matters, rather than the politics or skin colour of the accused. …okay. That’s what I already said. You know that the legal system doesn’t always reach the correct conclusion. Yet you demand that all of us accept the verdicts in two court cases. If we don’t, then we “have no system of morality” and are “ignoring the evidence.” Only you are allowed to do that. Why would you chime in to help someone argue that you are a hypocrite? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-steophan/795678.md?page=15)