Fucking right. My ex-manager took an unhealthy delight in tormenting people during their last two weeks, giving them the shittiest schedule possible (or cutting their hours), giving them the shittiest jobs possible, and piling them with work. I’ll be damned if I was going to put up with that after I’d given notice.
And all my old co-workers, at least the ones I liked enough to talked to, totally understood and wished they could quit too.
Nope, sorry. In my book, two weeks notice is the right thing to do. It fucks your co-workers to do otherwise.
Sally’s is very good about how they treat thier employees. I gave two weeks notice for them once, was treated well, and when I came back, they rehired me.
Now i’m fucked because of her. There is basic human consideration here, you are not just fucking a company, you are fucking all the people around you. Some people I work with can’t pick up their kids from daycare because they are having to cover for her. I sat and listened to my co-worker decide between keeping the store open or picking her kids up. Because of the bitch who couldn’t deal with our (very sweet) boss for TWO MORE WEEKS!!!
I don’t care what anyone says, I have never walked out of a job without notice, and never will. My co-workers deserve better.
I walked out of a job without notice once.
My boss would stand in the kitchen, 5 feet from me, and mock me back and forth with the other cook. The other cook was massively incompetent, and on the occasions it didn’t get ignored, I got shit for it.
The day that it was quite seriously all I could do to not punch that other girl in her bitchy little mouth was the last day I went in. No one should have to work in a situation where not only do your co workers treat you like shit, your boss joins in. And anyone who wants to lecture me about how I should have spent 2 more weeks there for the benefit of the very people shitting on me can bite my ass.
(As a side note, I had worked at the same place with the old owners, who repeatedly said I was one of the best employees they’d ever had. I wasn’t doing anything different with this new management, which kind of lends support to it being a matter of he was a total asshole)
I agree that when possible, to try to give two weeks, but sometimes it’s just not the best thing to do.
I quit my last job and gave my two week’s notice. It was a struggle to come into work for those last two weeks. Not that my employers treated me badly, there was no change in their behavior or treatment of me. But the whole work environment was so warped that I desperately wanted to dash out and leave—but I just couldn’t. Because I didn’t want to screw over my coworkers.
However, it was really a judgment call. The environment I was in at this job (without going into great drawn-out detail) was hostile. Not by all of the coworkers, but by a several. They were verious levels of whacked.
I worked in a healthcare related job, where even a hint of a suggestion of abuse of a patient could make your life hell. I’d already seen a few instances where people were falsely judged or accused of abuse (when none existed) because an employee was a crazy bitch or just wanted to make trouble. There was even an attempt to try it on me (they failed, but was very scary). The whole thing was AWFUL. It’s bad enough to have people lie about you or make trouble for you when it’s an ordinary job, but anyone in the health field will tell you, when you get accused of abuse, your life can be seriously messed up and your future employment can be at risk as well.
Oh dear, I promised I wouldn’t make it a long, drawn-out tale. Anyway, suffice it to say that I decided that I needed to get out before some crazy bitch coworker decided to falsely accuse me of something, as I’d seen done to others around me. Those last two weeks, I spent EVERY DAY hoping that no one would decide to target me. And thankfully, there were no problems. But it was a tense two weeks and I worried for every minute of it.
So, frankly, I can’t begrudge people who just bail out. How would I have felt if, during my last two weeks, someone had made up some story about me that would have required a miserable and possibly devastating “investigation”? Would I have felt it was all “worth it,” just so I didn’t “screw over” my coworkers?
Just because Sally’s was good to you doesn’t mean they were good to her.
Um, methinks you don’t know the whole story, either. Maybe she and the boss didn’t get along. Maybe she needed a few days off for personal reasons and was turned down, leaving her with no choice but to quit. Maybe she found a better job and wanted to take it as soon as possible. Maybe she did turn in 2 weeks’ notice and the boss told her to leave. (This has happened to me.)
In any event, I’m finding it hard to muster sympathy for you. Essentially, you’re whining that you’re missing some concert (c’mon. Henry Rollins?! Tell me you didn’t pay too much for those tickets), so it must be your bitch co-worker’s fault. Grow a pair and tell your boss you’re not willing to work Sunday night because you have unbreakable plans. The employee with the kids in daycare also needs to grow a pair and tell the boss there needs to be someone else in the store when she needs to pick her kids up.
And quit whining.
Robin
I worked as acting manager in two different stores, (same company) while the company was looking for managers. I have been in the situation where someone just quit with out notice. I didn’t blame any of them, nor did I harbor ill feelings towords them. Sure it sucked having to work the extra hours or spend time to try to find their replacements, but it didn’t mean those people were bad people. It means they had other things going on in their lives that meant more to them than a shitty job that paid shitty wages.
I recently quit without a two week notice. I was the acting manager in that store. Another manager from another store was working the first shift. The policy is that if you can not work, you must call in at least 2 hours ahead. I called in three hours before the start of my shift, I explained that I had a very sick kid at home, I could not take her to daycare ( she had a fever ). I had tried to cover my hours before I called in, I was in a no- win situation. I had worked the previous Saturday for this particular manager (7 hours), as he wanted to go out with a friend who was in town that he hadn’t seen in a while. I asked him if he could stay and work for me ( 6 hours ). He said he had plans. I then explained to him again, I had a sick child who could not go to day care, I could not be there. He then told me he didn’t care if my “goddamned” kid was sick, I would be there.
That was it. I quit. I will not work with some one who treats people like that. He was acting as a representative of the company when he said it, so basically the company said it to me. Fuck them. The only person who said anything negative about me not giving two weeks notice was the area manager, who shut up rather fast when I confronted her about lying to me as well as other employees. When I took in my uniforms and picked up my last check, I found out 3 others had quit as well.
I saw many times when people had given a two week notice, they were either completely taken off the schedule, scheduled the crappiest hours or treated with such disrespect (by managerment, not coworkers). It really didn’t give the employees who witnessed this much incentive to give a notice at all.
Have you learned NOTHING from “Office Space?”
Get Caller ID, for God’s sake. Screen some calls. If they’re trying to get in touch with you, say you were out of town fishing or some such.
Unless you’re the owner or acting manager, I don’t see how the responsibility automatically falls onto your shoulders, Dante.
Never say never. One day, after you have been screwed over repeatedly by employers and have co-workers who treat you like shit, you might also do what you need to do so you don’t have a nervous breakdown right then and there. In my case, my co-worker taking out her anger on me for over a year is one of the reasons I’m quitting. She doesn’t deserve better; she deserves much, much worse.
** don’t care what anyone says, I have never walked out of a job without notice, and never will. My co-workers deserve better.**
So if you’re ever, say, offered another job that will pay you almost twice what you’re getting paid at Sally’s, with the only stipulation being that you have to start immediately at the new job, you’ll go ahead and turn down the job for the sake of your co-workers because you can’t give 2 weeks notice?
Yeah RIGHT. You’d be outta there in a heartbeat.
Bah, two weeks? Would the company have given her two weeks if they felt she wasn’t doing her job? Doubt it. I’m guessing it was an “at will” position meaning either side can terminate at any time. Lame to screw you out of watching the concert though.
And another thing…
A big assumption you make in saying “two weeks notice means I won’t screw over my co-workers” is that your boss/company is going to:
All within the two weeks time you have remaining.
In reality, two weeks notice only postpones the inevitable dumping of extra work onto your coworkers. Spare them the two weeks of dreading your departure and just quit now!
BCE
This is why I’m glad I practice situational ethics. Is it possible that sometimes quitting without notice and sometimes not?
Not knowing the details, I can’t say whether what she did was ethical or not. However, I do know that you’re not under an ethical obligation to fill in for the employee; if the manager can’t find a replacement, the manager needs to work the shift. That’s why managers get the big bucks.
Daniel
:smack:
And now we get to play “guess the missing words from Daniel’s post” game!
Daniel
Actually, your argument should be with management, or the co-workers who are so ballsless as to refuse to work extra hours that interfere with important functions such as parenting their children. Why aren’t co-workers saying “No, I have to pick up my child, I cannot work until 7.” and meaning it? Why isn’t your manager picking up the slack when that happens?
Moreover, what did “sweet” manager do when the co-worker who quit was exhibiting signs of being unhappy in her job? You see, I strongly, strongly doubt that there is any way that this woman was an exemplary employee and then had some sudden epiphany when she woke up one day and declared “I can’t take it anymore!” and quit suddenly. I truly believe that if her behavior was reviewed, it would be realized that she was being passive-aggressive or lackadaisical before the day she walked out, perhaps long before. I’d bet that she was calling off frequently, or coming in late or leaving early. Or perhaps she was foisting off unpleasant parts of her duties on others, leaving things undone for the next shift, or being whiny about things as she did them. In short, she was probably screwing over her co-workers in subtle ways for quite some time.
Walking out without notice is a big, dramatic, noticeable event, but it was predicated on something more than one day’s disgust. You, torie, and your other co-workers were done a far greater disservice by the fact that management did nothing to head this conflagration off at the pass than you were by one woman reaching her breaking point and doing what she felt necessary to preserve her own well-being.
Pretend she was killed on the way to work - it’ll save you a few posts.
Cry me a fucking river.
When “the company” fires someone without notice, that’s not just fucking them, it’s fucking their family and everyone else who depends on them.
Unless they’ve got someone to pick up the slack the moment the firee’s ass hits the door, they’re fucking you and all the people around you as well.
But, no, they don’t do that, do they? They expect you guys to pick up the slack while they hire (or more likely don’t hire) a replacement.
-Joe, waaaah!
I’m glad the world is such a simple place for you to live in. Remember that the next time you inconvenience anyone in any way, because you’ll be fully entitled to whatever verbal or written abuse they decide to sling your way.
Slight hijack:
The Rollins show probably starts in the evening, right? Just curious as to how late Sally’s would be open. Around here, Sally’s closes around 5 or 6 on Sunday nights. Rollins probably won’t start until 8, and trust me, he’ll talk for a good three hours. You can probably still make it.
Also, enjoy the show. I saw Hank last February and he was incredible. (Front row, damn he looks good. 
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I have quit two jobs in my life time.
The first one I gave two weeks notice for. I was working as a grill cook in a cafeteria. The supervisor( well not really, she was kind of a mini supervisor because the real ones never worked weekends) came out into the cafeteria and started screaming at me about something she had heard that I might have said. In front of about 50 people. I just stood there until she took a step towards me, then I left the area. That is what we were trained to do. I went to the phone to call our Big boss. She took the phone from me and hung it up. So I left the whole department. Finally got ahold of him, and he told me to go home for the night. So I called my mother. My mother did not understand what had happened and came to the cafeteria, she thought I was injured. My Mini-visor proceeded to lecture my very confused mother on how she had raised me wrong, and that she should be ashamed of herself and me. Finally we left.
Next day the big boss gets both sides of the story. He told me I had no business having my mother there, and that he was not going to address that part of the incedent. I conceded that maybe I should have tried to catch my mother before she made it downstairs(when she picked me up she never came down, so i didn’t think she would). But he also said that I was not to work under Mini-visor again, and if it was accidentally scheduled, I should call him.
Two weeks later it happened, where we were scheduled together. Mini-visor treated me like crap for the weeks before then, but I didn’t say anything, You see because it would have made it hard on all of us. SO I called Big Boss, to tell him. He told me to grow up and get over it.This is after he specifically told me to call him if it happened. I put in my two weeks notice right then, got treated like shit for two more weeks.
My second job was the same setting, hosptial cafeteria. By day two I was being yelled at for not doing my job right. The department needed 20 people to function right. When I was hired I made person number 7. After the supervisor yelled at me twice for something I had not even been trained on, I left. I was not about to go through the aggravation of being treated like shit for two weeks.
Other people had worked the same jobs I had, and had no problem, and thats great for them, but because it worked for them didn’t necesarily mean I would work for me. I think that its the same for everyone one, sometimes life can’t be neat and tidy for everyone else.
So if the manager is such a sweetheart, I guess she’ll have no issue with covering the shift. What’s the problem again? 