# Pitting the Zimmerman trial circus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419 "2013-07-13T19:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/201 "2013-07-14T16:05:27Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > Basing on the interview, the defense seems confident that they can stop that. [The Florida Immunity Statute seems](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html)pretty clear on that. Mr. Zimmerman’s income is not in jeopardy. That is, of course, if being found not guilty in a 2nd Degree Murder case, in and of itself, implies that the use of deadly force was justifiable. It would seem like it does, but I’ll let the lawyers on the board debate that. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/202 "2013-07-14T16:07:22Z")
nvm ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/203 "2013-07-14T16:09:36Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Let **Lonesome** reveal his racism, and let **John Mace** and **Crafter Mace** predictably come to his defense. Bull-fucking-shit. I did not come to his defense. I do think he’s a racist, I just don’t think that particular post was hate speech by the standards of what gets posted here all the time w/o moderator smack-down. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/204 "2013-07-14T16:17:44Z")
Some reporters seem to be almost disappointed by the lack of riots. I’ve seen people on Facebook today express sorrow and compassion over the death of Cory Monteith- the 30 year old actor from GLEE whose death was most probably drug related and therefore avoidable- whose compassion for Martin was noticeably lacking. It’s interesting how people parcel out their sympathies. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/205 "2013-07-14T16:20:48Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > [The Florida Immunity Statute seems](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html)pretty clear on that. Mr. Zimmerman’s income is not in jeopardy. > > That is, of course, if being found not guilty in a 2nd Degree Murder case, in and of itself, implies that the use of deadly force was justifiable. It would seem like it does, but I’ll let the lawyers on the board debate that. If he can manage to stay out of jail. I doubt that he will. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/206 "2013-07-14T16:24:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Bull-fucking-shit. I did not come to his defense. I do think he’s a racist, I just don’t think that particular post was hate speech by the standards of what gets posted here all the time w/o moderator smack-down. And you feel it necessary to press this trifling point for what reason? If he’d call the kid a nigger but didn’t use the term to mean all blacks, please tell me you’re capable of seeing the folly in quibbling over whether this was hate speech or not. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/207 "2013-07-14T16:25:47Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > If he can manage to stay out of jail. I doubt that he will. What do you imagine he will be jailed for? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/208 "2013-07-14T16:30:22Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > What do you imagine he will be jailed for? A repeat incident of any of the crimes he’s already committed. Child sexual assault, interfering with a police officer, workplace harassment. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/209 "2013-07-14T16:32:19Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > A repeat incident of any of the crimes he’s already committed. > > Child sexual assault, interfering with a police officer, workplace harassment. Please cite his convictions for any of those crimes. The only one that was even investigated was the assault, and the charges were dropped. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/210 "2013-07-14T16:37:29Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > And you feel it necessary to press this trifling point for what reason? It’s not a trifling point. Reasonable people can disagree about whether or not that post was hate speech, by the standards of what passes for non-hate speech on this message board. That does, of course, assume the people having the discussion are “reasonable”. I’m not sure that applies to you wrt this subject. > [@](#): > > If he’d call the kid a nigger but didn’t use the term to mean all blacks, please tell me you’re capable of seeing the folly in quibbling over whether this was hate speech or not. That’s clearly within the bounds of what gets mod’ed for hate speech here. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/211 "2013-07-14T16:40:08Z")
You know, I forgot about his arrest for domestic violence. Add that to the tally. No convictions. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/212 "2013-07-14T16:50:25Z")
> [@Rysdad](#): > > [The Florida Immunity Statute seems](http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html)pretty clear on that. Mr. Zimmerman’s income is not in jeopardy. > > That is, of course, if being found not guilty in a 2nd Degree Murder case, in and of itself, implies that the use of deadly force was justifiable. It would seem like it does, but I’ll let the lawyers on the board debate that. No. Zimmerman does not enjoy legal immunity as a result of this acquittal. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/213 "2013-07-14T16:52:02Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > A repeat incident of any of the crimes he’s already committed. > > Child sexual assault, interfering with a police officer, workplace harassment. You’re convinced he committed those crimes, based solely on the fact he was accused? You don’t need any sort of rigorous fact finding? Someone said it, so it must be true? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/214 "2013-07-14T17:06:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re convinced he committed those crimes, based solely on the fact he was accused? You don’t need any sort of rigorous fact finding? Someone said it, so it must be true? Kinda like everything bad we know about Martin, ain’t it? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/215 "2013-07-14T17:11:30Z")
After all, what kind of creep eats Skittles while recklessly eyeballing houses? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/216 "2013-07-14T17:14:04Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > You’re convinced he committed those crimes, based solely on the fact he was accused? You don’t need any sort of rigorous fact finding? Someone said it, so it must be true? A rigorous fact finding would be necessary for a conviction in a court of law. For my own opinion, based on what I’ve read, I am sure he committed those crimes. He’s a violent, impulsive man who has been in trouble with the law, and will be in trouble again. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/217 "2013-07-14T17:21:04Z")
He gets his gun back, too, doesn’t he? Wonder how much he’ll get for it on E-bay. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/218 "2013-07-14T17:21:17Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > And then there’s the rational, disinterested voice that believes George Zimmerman is innocent and Trayvon Martin ultimately died of his own actions. That would be irrational. Rational is accepting the facts of the case, that the defendant shot the victim and the victim died. But anyway, I had no preference in the matter, I support this verdict, and I’d also support it in the case of Martin’s family contriving a situation in which someone shoots Zimmerman in self defense. That is the lesson I took from this. ---
**Author:** ![G-SE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@G-SE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-SE)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/219 "2013-07-14T17:22:00Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > A rigorous fact finding would be necessary for a conviction in a court of law. > > For my own opinion, based on what I’ve read, I am sure he committed those crimes. He’s a violent, impulsive man who has been in trouble with the law, and will be in trouble again. Profile much? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/220 "2013-07-14T17:22:17Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > He gets his gun back, too, doesn’t he? Wonder how much he’ll get for it on E-bay. Autographed or not autographed? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419.md?page=12)