# Pitting the Zimmerman trial circus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419 "2013-07-13T19:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/341 "2013-07-15T02:20:04Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The statistics show that our “justice” system is grotesquely racist, whatever you want to believe. Well that is absolutely a fact, no question there. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/342 "2013-07-15T02:25:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > If I follow you, you mean that the only reason he would need to be called would be that he was _not_ going to be in the truck? > > Plausible, certainly. Secondary might be that he was a “wannabe”, he wanted to stay central to the action, be a part of it. So he wanted to be sure they would call him, keep him in the loop. > > And if I’m gonna be giving **Steophan** shit for stating facts without links, I can’t let you get away with it just because you’re cuter. Which is why I’m not checking out that list just yet. Well, that and the X-box is calling, Oh c’mon! Play! And all you have to do is watch the re-enactment video… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/343 "2013-07-15T02:30:10Z")
So let me ask others…please look at the following and tell me why you believe it, if you do. Zimmerman claimed: [ul] [li]He didn’t know if he actually hit Martin or not[/li][li]Because Martin was still talking (but what he supposedly said was “you got me”)[/li][li]Then Martin fell forward onto the grass with his hands under him (which people who have not been hit by bullets always do…never) [/li][li]GZ climbed on his back to spread his arms out and search him for weapons[/li][li]When a neighbor came out and said he’d call 911 GZ told him no, don’t, help restrain this guy, because he’d already called the police.[/li][/ul] And the police arrived mere seconds after he’d stood up, finding Martin with his hands under him, dead. GZ is telling a whopper, _starting_ with the insane assertion that after taking aim, pointing the pistol directly at the middle of Trayvon’s chest when he was sitting on GZ’s torso, and firing, he didn’t think he’d hit him. [Cue Seth Meyers and Amy Pohler: Really!!?!] Then he _still_ didn’t think he’d hit him when Trayvon spontaneously fell over onto his face… :dubious: He climbed on his back and spread his arms out…but Martin was found with his arms under him. 😕 Clearly he _did_ climb onto Martin’s back, people saw him there. And clearly, if he admitted knowing that he’d blown a hole in the kid’s chest it would make him look like a real fucking bastard to climb on the back of a kid with a mortal wound in his chest. Admitting knowing the kid was mortally wounded would mean he couldn’t sell that he had to “restrain” him. And of course, how do you explain telling a neighbor not to call 911, the police are already on their way, when there’s a kid with a mortal wound in his chest who obviously needs medical assistance? So this lifeless body was beating the life out of GZ seconds before, forcing GZ to shoot him, but GZ thought he missed… yet he was limp, unresistant, and totally at GZ’s mercy all of a sudden anyway? Because…? Because GZ is actually a moron who needs to be institutionalized due to his lack of the most basic mental functioning needed to be part of society? Or because GZ is lying as fast as he can? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/344 "2013-07-15T02:31:46Z")
> [@](#): > > …And all you have to do is watch the re-enactment video… Oh, happy day. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/345 "2013-07-15T02:40:14Z")
For those who missed this [Correction and clarification by Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin.asp)regarding Trayvon Martin’s physical appearance and the photographs we’ve seen of him. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/346 "2013-07-15T04:06:52Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Are you currently taking medication for restless leg syndrome? I’ve rarely seen anyone so anxious to exploit any opportunity to gamble, however piddling and pointless the payout. Is this a muffled cry for help? I am sick of people buttressing their arguments with oh-so-confident “predictions” that they lack the gumption to stand behind in any meaningful way. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/347 "2013-07-15T04:15:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am sick of people buttressing their arguments with oh-so-confident “predictions” that they lack the gumption to stand behind in any meaningful way. :rolleyes: Plenty of people don’t believe in gambling. And even more people aren’t going to trust someone like you to do anything but try to weasel your way into saying you’ve won regardless of the facts. You aren’t someone I’d trust with a bet or anything else, even if I believed in betting. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/348 "2013-07-15T04:17:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am sick of people buttressing their arguments with oh-so-confident “predictions” that they lack the gumption to stand behind in any meaningful way. No, you’re not. You would have no business being. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/349 "2013-07-15T04:50:59Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > … > Are we supposed to believe he was lost, after telling the dispatcher precisely where he was in his truck? > > Maybe I am retarded, but I can read. What’s your excuse? As a 9-1-1 supervisor I try to convey the importance to my staff that we need location information for an incident. An address is one way of providing location information, but it is not the only way. Zimmerman provided location information using landmarks. This is a type of location information that is very commonly used when a caller does not know the address. The dispatcher, IMHO, should not have continued to ask for an address. He already had adequate location information. ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/350 "2013-07-15T10:14:24Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Bearing in mind that “Not Guilty” is not the same as “Innocent”, he’s going to be acquitted. > > That doesn’t change the fact that he shouldn’t have done what he did. Looking out for your neighborhood does not mean that it’s up to you to do what he did. Also, when you have a gun and the right to carry it, it is incumbent upon you to do everything you can to avoid having to use it. It is not there so that you can get into a bad spot and use it to get out of the trouble you could have (and should have) avoided. > > This is a bad thing all around. I don’t know that justice is served by this no matter how it turns out. +1 million. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/351 "2013-07-15T11:38:18Z")
Well, I know of at least ONE good thing that came out of the thread. (sometime last night) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/352 "2013-07-15T11:59:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I am sick of people buttressing their arguments with oh-so-confident “predictions” that they lack the gumption to stand behind in any meaningful way. Just as crooked businesses keep two sets of books, partisan hacks (who are mostly leftards) have two sets of beliefs. One set to trumpet in order to demonstrate their moral superiority and one set to follow when significant personal interests are at stake. Challenging someone to a wager is often a good way to demonstrate the contradiction. Of course showing someone that their beliefs are contradictory usually results in cognitive dissonance which usually results in an emotional response. ---
**Author:** ![Lunchy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Lunchy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lunchy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/353 "2013-07-15T13:05:18Z")
If Martin was 5’11’‘, then I’m 3’8’'.[http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/trayvon\_photos.pdf](http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/trayvon_photos.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/354 "2013-07-15T13:24:12Z")
> [@Lunchy](#): > > If Martin was 5’11’‘, then I’m 3’8’'.[http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/trayvon\_photos.pdf](http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/trayvon_photos.pdf) and you only date guys 5’10" and under? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/355 "2013-07-15T13:24:29Z")
> [@](#): > > If Martin was 5’11’‘, then I’m 3’8’'.[http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/...von\_photos.pdf](http://cbsmiami.files.wordpress.com/...von_photos.pdf) What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Lunchy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Lunchy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lunchy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/356 "2013-07-15T13:42:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What are you talking about? Someone posted a link that said an autopsy report said Martin was only 5’11’'. I assumed everyone thus far read it. My mistake. Also, heterosexual male here, unless that was yet another mature “you’re gay” jab! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/357 "2013-07-15T13:55:20Z")
I didn’t miss it. I’m not getting what you see in those pictures that makes you think he wasn’t 5’11". ---
**Author:** ![Lunchy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Lunchy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lunchy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/358 "2013-07-15T14:04:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I didn’t miss it. I’m not getting what you see in those pictures that makes you think he wasn’t 5’11". I’ve seen myself in enough photos next to a lot of people who are average, and being 5’11 myself, I know a height discrepancy when I see it. If that isn’t enough, dudes as tall as the goddamn horse. He’s got a solid foot over almost everyone else, and a good 4 inches on the fridge. I do none of those things, and I’m (gonna have to take my word) 5’11’. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/359 "2013-07-15T14:21:56Z")
I’m the same height as my fridge, 5’7". Average height for a woman, short in a lineup with my siblings. But at work I tower over people. ---
**Author:** ![Lunchy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Lunchy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lunchy)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/360 "2013-07-15T14:25:21Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > I’m the same height as my fridge, 5’7". Average height for a woman, short in a lineup with my siblings. But at work I tower over people. I don’t believe he’s 5’11’'. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419.md?page=19)