# Pitting the Zimmerman trial circus **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 13, 2013, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419 "2013-07-13T19:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/101 "2013-07-14T03:30:31Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > It’s bullshit like this that makes people contribute to the NRA. It’s being a paranoid fucking asshole that makes people join the NRA in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/102 "2013-07-14T03:32:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It’s being a paranoid fucking asshole that makes people join the NRA in the first place. Ok. Go sign up 5 million members to the Coalition to End Gun Violence or some shit, and contribute to them. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/103 "2013-07-14T03:52:07Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The defense has cost at least $1M, maybe more. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/104 "2013-07-14T03:54:50Z")
Shit. I saw it on an aggregated Twitter feed from local FL reporters…let me see if I can dig it up again. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/105 "2013-07-14T04:00:20Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Cite? It was back-of-the-napkin calculation by a couple of lawyers that were on the panel tweeting about this. They did it from an estimate of the number of hours that the two lawyers must have spent on the case ($400/hr regular fee for one and $350 for the other) plus all the other huge expenses incurred. Think about it - you have NO idea just how much time these guys spent on the case behind the scenes. The countless depositions, going through the mountains of discovery evidence, etc. etc. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/106 "2013-07-14T04:00:35Z")
N/M. That was the same one I saw. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/107 "2013-07-14T04:04:30Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > It was back-of-the-napkin calculation by a couple of lawyers that were on the panel tweeting about this. They did it from an estimate of the number of hours that the two lawyers must have spent on the case ($400/hr regular fee for one and $350 for the other) plus all the other huge expenses incurred. Think about it - you have NO idea just how much time these guys spent on the case behind the scenes. The countless depositions, going through the mountains of discovery evidence, etc. etc. Sure I do. I know Mark O’Mara from his family law practice (though not well.) Thing is, all the other huge expenses incurred will be paid by me as a taxpayer of the State of Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/108 "2013-07-14T04:05:58Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Sure I do. I know Mark O’Mara from his family law practice (though not well.) Thing is, all the other huge expenses incurred will be paid by me as a taxpayer of the State of Florida. How exactly? All the time that O’Mara and West spent taking those deposition and going through discovery - you think the state was paying them to do it? ---
**Author:** ![Hbns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hbns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hbns)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/109 "2013-07-14T04:07:24Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > You don’t have to be racist to be Republican, but you do have to be Republican to be a racist. You’re clearly blissfully ignorant of all the racist union members in my neck of the woods. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/110 "2013-07-14T04:12:47Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > How exactly? All the time that O’Mara and West spent taking those deposition and going through discovery - you think the state was paying them to do it? By “all the other huge expense incurred” I assumed you were talking about litigation costs, which will be paid by the state because Zimmerman is the prevailing party. ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/111 "2013-07-14T04:13:15Z")
I’ve decided to share some of the reaction from my racist, bigoted, asshole, NRA member friends over at the Glock board: > [@](#): > > No. He acted like a fool. I always said he should be found not guilty by self defense. > > But he also deserves to suffer a great deal for his stupidity. > [@](#): > > I’m happy for George. I’m also sad for Trayvon Martin’s his family at the same time. I hope they may find peace. > [@](#): > > The jury got it right. I do feel sorry for Trayvon’s parents as they lost their son no matter the circumstances. > [@](#): > > A lifetime of bearing the responsibility of knowing that he was in a situation where he had to take a life to protect his own. No matter the circumstance, that is a heavy burden. > > I truly hope that both he and the Martin family may find peace. > [@](#): > > I thought it would be a hung jury. Glad I was wrong. Justice was served today. I stand by my statement that this case should never have seen the inside of a courtroom. Its a damn shame people are indicted on emotion. > > I do sympathise with the Martin family because it would break my heart if one of my children died before I do. But I also sympathize with the Zimmerman’s. The way the media portrayed him and the fact he was indicted because the deceased was a young black male. And so on. The tone over at DemocraticUnderground…is less kind. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/112 "2013-07-14T04:15:43Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > By “all the other huge expense incurred” I assumed you were talking about litigation costs, which will be paid by the state because Zimmerman is the prevailing party. No I meant all the incidentals. All the experts that needed to be paid for their work (and quite a few that didn’t get to testify), paying the interns, paint the transportation/lodging costs, etc. etc. I can easily see $1M price tag or more. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/113 "2013-07-14T04:21:09Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Dammit, man, I’m the fucking monster here! Well, damn, I’ve spent years hanging around on this board establishing my reputation as the board’s racist monster, and now all of a sudden you turn up trying to hog my glory. Even so, this is a glorious moment. A Florida jury has affirmed our right to use deadly force to defend ourselves from feral proto-humans, and, having twice been the victim of black street violence, I fervently hope there will be yet another wave of Euro-Americans flooding the gun stores to buy the weaponry and munitions needed to deal with the Trayvon Martins and Rodney Kings of our decaying and disintegrating nation. The problem is not white racism. The problem is black lawlessness and violence. Trayvon Martin, rot in Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/114 "2013-07-14T04:21:35Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The entire room here at the Republican event I’m working cheered loudly when the guy on stage announced the not guilty verdict. > > It truly left me wondering what it was about the verdict that made this partisan crowd cheer so loudly. > > Okay, I admit it didn’t take much wondering to come up with a plausible-seeming answer. > [@BlakeTyner](#): > > They’re all racists? > > Please say that’s not the answer. What plausible-seeming answers do you come up with? Was that one of them? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/115 "2013-07-14T04:21:38Z")
Don’t know what board you’re on but out of curiosity I visited glock\_talk (remove the underscore) and looked at the Zimmerman reaction thread and it reads rather differently. > [@](#): > > No I meant all the incidentals. All the experts that needed to be paid for their work (and quite a few that didn’t get to testify), paying the interns, paint the transportation/lodging costs, etc. etc. I can easily see $1M price tag or more. All that stuff goes under “litigation costs”. Basically, it’s everything except attorney fees and office overhead. The interns don’t, but they’re all volunteers. ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/116 "2013-07-14T04:21:40Z")
George Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force. You can say all you want about George Zimmerman being an asshole (who mentors underpriveleged black kids) but ultimately, it was Trayvon Martin’s actions that lead to his own death. People should grow up and look at the facts of the case. It was clear that George Zimmerman feared for his life at the time of the beating. As a total outsider, non-caucasian, non-American, and liberal but not racked with white guilt, I can state this without fear that any charges of racism can stick. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/117 "2013-07-14T04:22:04Z")
> [@BlakeTyner](#): > > Ah, yes, the O.J. postulation. Which was accurate. Next. > [@G-SE](#): > > Screw the state of Florida. > Screw the biased judge. > Screw the prosecutors. > Screw Sharpton and the other instigators. > Screw the racist blacks that can’t get past the color of someone’s skin. > > Most of all, screw Trayvon Martin. Enjoy your dirt nap you drug addicted, racist, wanna-be gangsta. You’re a goddamn fucking waste of space. Bigoted dumb ass. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/118 "2013-07-14T04:23:04Z")
Double post. ---
**Author:** ![Tequila\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a6a055/32.png) [@Tequila\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tequila_Party)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/119 "2013-07-14T04:24:49Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > Well, damn, I’ve spent years hanging around on this board establishing my reputation as the board’s racist monster, and now all of a sudden you turn up trying to hog my glory. > > Even so, this is a glorious moment. A Florida jury has affirmed our right to use deadly force to defend ourselves from feral proto-humans, and, having twice been the victim of black street violence, I fervently hope there will be yet another wave of Euro-Americans flooding the gun stores to buy the weaponry and munitions needed to deal with the Trayvon Martins and Rodney Kings of our decaying and disintegrating nation. > > The problem is not white racism. > > The problem is black lawlessness and violence. > > Trayvon Martin, rot in Hell. You too, you despicable piece of shit. You and your ilk make the entire world feel like it needs a cleansing. Why don’t all you racist assholes congregate somewhere more to your liking? Maybe Stormfront? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2013, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419/120 "2013-07-14T04:25:35Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > It’s being a paranoid fucking asshole that makes people join the NRA in the first place. It’s being a soft, cowardly little shitbag too spineless to deal with reality which makes people pretend that black lawlessness and violence is somehow not real or not important, and shrieks “Racism!” at anyone who dares to speak about this unpleasant truth in public. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-the-zimmerman-trial-circus/663419.md?page=7)