# Pitting Traitorous Black Male Trump Supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 8, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929 "2024-11-08T13:31:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![fedman1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e495f1/32.png) [@fedman1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/181 "2024-11-11T13:56:59Z")
it’s white liberal paternalism ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/182 "2024-11-11T14:00:24Z")
Agree. The message seems to be, “You’re too dumb to know what’s best for you. I’m educated, so you should listen to me.” Very insulting & elitist, as stated previously. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/183 "2024-11-11T14:01:39Z")
> [@fedman1](#): > > it’s white liberal paternalism As a far leftist, I agree. Black men who vote for Trump are exactly as terrible as White men who vote for Trump. I don’t get to decide for them what their values or interests _should_ be. They decide. I get to decide for myself whether their support for a fascist makes them a terrible person (spoiler: it does). But I absolutely loathe this version of identity politics, where people are assigned to political teams by their immutable characteristics, and are considered traitors if they vote against that assignation. The only treacherous quality involved is shared by all Trump voters: they voted against our common humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/184 "2024-11-11T15:04:11Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > The message seems to be, “You’re too dumb to know what’s best for you. I’m educated, so you should listen to me.” Education is irrelevant. Even some Neolithic tribesman would have understood that supporting people who hate you and want to hurt you is stupid; no education needed, just a basic grasp of cause and effect. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/185 "2024-11-11T16:24:25Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Agree. The message seems to be “You’re too dumb to know what’s best for you. I’m educated so you should listen to me.” Very insulting & elitist, as stated previously. Or even worse, voting the wrong way means you’re a house n\*\*\*\*r. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/186 "2024-11-11T16:40:46Z")
The message is, “Why did you vote to hurt yourself?” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/187 "2024-11-11T16:42:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The message is “Why did you vote to hurt yourself?” And the answer is simple: “We don’t believe you.” ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/188 "2024-11-11T16:51:08Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > And the answer is simple: “We don’t believe you.” Which won’t save them. Not that I feel any pity for them, if they get hurt or killed because they voted Trump into office that’s just karmic justice. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/189 "2024-11-11T16:56:48Z")
Okay then, but no one’s going to nag them into admitting how wrong they were. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/190 "2024-11-11T16:59:22Z")
Oh, MAGA will manage it. It’ll just be too late for them to change their mind. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/191 "2024-11-11T17:09:55Z")
There’s also a scenario of MAGA fragmenting, as it’s a movement of grievance. All of MAGA supports Trump of course, as long as he’s still living, but when people’s lives go to shit, if they can’t blame Dems, or the deep state, they might blame some faction or other prominent Republican leader. They might still defend their Trump vote. This might be gaming out things too far though, the likelihood of this scenario will be clearer after Trump’s first few months. ---
**Author:** ![TheTooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/919ad9/32.png) [@TheTooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheTooth)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/192 "2024-11-11T19:34:15Z")
They will blame who Tucker Carlson tells them to blame. It won’t make sense but sensible cultists are rarer than hens’ teeth. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/193 "2024-11-11T20:34:54Z")
My take is that “I told you so!” is a 100% legit feeling, and a very stupid thing to say. When people realize that Trump is a fucking imbecile whose economic policies are far worse than Biden’s, there needs to be a face-saving way for them to leave that MAGA nonsense behind. Not for their sake, but for the sake of the rest of us who really really need them to stop voting MAGA. So, yeah. Say “I told you so!” here. but to their faces, keep talking about unions, and the value of strong public schools, and the need for strong infrastructure, and how more Helenes and Miltons are on their way for our children until we get climate change under control, and don’t tell them what credulous assholes they’ve been for supporting a fascist moron. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/194 "2024-11-11T20:40:55Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > All of MAGA supports Trump of course Indeed, instead of embracing principles, the Republican Party is embracing _Trump_. Cult of Personality can be dangerous. But they just don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/195 "2024-11-11T20:49:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > But I absolutely loathe this version of identity politics, where people are assigned to political teams by their immutable characteristics, and are considered traitors if they vote against that assignation. I agree but it is worth noting that Trump and his cronies will probably go after people based on their immutable characteristics. If you have that characteristic and voted for Trump should I be sympathetic about what happens to you when Trump comes for you (general “you”)? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/196 "2024-11-11T20:53:16Z")
At the risk of sounding like an asshole, your sympathy doesn’t matter one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/197 "2024-11-11T20:55:16Z")
I disagree. My sympathy can lead me to help in some fashion to fix the problem. My lack of sympathy is “fuck them” and let the problem continue. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/198 "2024-11-11T21:32:22Z")
The Problem is not just affecting them, it is affecting millions of people–billions if you count climate change. If a lack of sympathy for one person makes you say fuck them and let the problem continue, that’s pretty fucked up. You don’t need to have sympathy. You do need to consider how your actions are affecting the political viability of the movement going forward. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/199 "2024-11-12T12:45:45Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Obviously this is what would be preferable, but we knew that voters’ feelings were based on lies on (social) media for at least the last couple years and no one has thought of a good way to combat it. Objective intelligence would combat it. The MAGA manifesto is posted on line, and it lists all the atrocities they plan on committing. It is THEIR web site, so they can’t call them lies. Yeah, like that’s gonna happen any day soon. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/200 "2024-11-12T21:00:09Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > intelligence Aye, there’s the rub. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929.md?page=11)