# Pitting Traitorous Black Male Trump Supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 8, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929 "2024-11-08T13:31:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/222 "2024-12-08T12:58:01Z")
I’ve had trouble making up mind about this. In the week after the election, I was furious at men of color for shifting toward Trump, more furious than I was at (say) white men. In the end, though, it’s observations like the one quoted below that convinced me it was unhelpful to impose expectations based on group identities as they happen to exist in our place and time. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The only treacherous quality involved is shared by all Trump voters: they voted against our common humanity. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/223 "2024-12-08T16:14:47Z")
I wouldn’t call them treacherous, just self destructively stupid or malignant. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/224 "2024-12-08T16:48:11Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > You were instrumental in electing Trump either by not voting at all or for actually voting for him! What about white Democrats that didn’t vote for Harris? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/225 "2024-12-08T18:45:43Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > What about white Democrats that didn’t vote for Harris? Slightly less dumb because they are slightly lower on the list of Republican targets due to their paler skin tone. Still dumb, though. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/226 "2024-12-08T20:31:37Z")
I don’t know if this is the right thread for this, but here is a [gift link](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/07/us/politics/harris-philadelphia-black-latino-voters.html?unlocked_article_code=1.f04.wNYF.FVezAYXO-jpY&smid=url-share) to a New York Times article about how Harris campaign organizers in Philadelphia ran a guerrilla campaign days before the election to contact black and Latino voters that they believed had been neglected by the Harris campaign. One sentence from the article, “Many of the thousands of Black and Latino voters they talked to said they had never heard from the campaign, a stunning breakdown so close to Election Day.” Yes, it’s a little shocking that the Harris campaign may have neglected crucial voters but . . . I’m not black or Latino and I don’t live in a swing state but no one from the Harris campaign ever contacted me to get my vote, nor did they really _need_ to. There’s no way I was ever going to vote for the fascist candidate. Were people waiting for the Democrats to contact them to convince them not to vote for Trump? Were they _that_ open to doing so? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/227 "2024-12-08T21:17:52Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Were people waiting for the Democrats to contact them to convince them not to vote for Trump? Were they _that_ open to doing so? Believe it or not, a whole lot of Americans of all flavors of cultural alignment, _ **do** _ need to hear someone saying _“Hey there – yes, **you** : it’s voting time, and you need to vote ThisOrThat way if you want THESE good things to happen and THOSE bad things to not happen, how can we make it so you do?”_ or they won’t even know it’s happening. And they’ll be better disposed to vote for someone who makes the gesture first and often in the venues and spaces where _they_ are engaged – or to just stay home if no one does who they like. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/228 "2024-12-08T21:23:01Z")
Thanks, though I’m a more than a little surprised. Perhaps in some races the choices are closer, the candidates not so far apart. But here, we have an open fascist on one side, who claimed he only wanted to be a dictator for the first day versus a capable candidate with real plans for improving the situation for the public. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/229 "2024-12-09T12:50:29Z")
> [@robby](#): > > I think these are very harsh and unkind sentiments to make about such a large group. Hey, it’s the Pit. LOL I think it’s “harsh and unkind” that they are electing people who will destroy our democracy if they can in any way do so. That kind of makes us even. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/230 "2024-12-09T13:07:07Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I think it’s “harsh and unkind” that they are electing people who will destroy our democracy if they can in any way do so. That kind of makes us even. This. If they wanted me to talk nice about them, then they shouldn’t have voted harm upon me and everyone else. Heck, me calling them “stupid” _is_ me being nice, that’s giving them the benefit of the doubt. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/231 "2024-12-09T16:05:26Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I think it’s “harsh and unkind” that they are electing people who will destroy our democracy if they can in any way do so. That kind of makes us even. Again, this is what I was responding to: > [@Jasmine](#): > > Now you will get what you wished for, and I can only ardently hope that it puts face down in the dirt, dirt that is soaked in your tears and regrets. I pit you. I spit on you. I think it’s over the top to say you “spit on” those who voted for Trump because they were stupid, gullible, or misinformed. I’ll add those who are single-issue voters, like ardent “pro-lifers” (who are also stupid, because Republican policies not only put women’s lives at risk, but also [do nothing to actually reduce the rate of abortions](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/rising-abortion-rates-post-roe-policies-rcna166577)). The bottom line is that people’s motivations matter, IMHO. And I’m not the only one who thinks this. See [this column from the NYT Ethicist columnist](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/04/magazine/best-friend-selfish-trump-ethics.html?unlocked_article_code=1.gE4.1p_x.lDHTKI5EK9Qj&smid=url-share) (gift link). > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > If they wanted me to talk nice about them, then they shouldn’t have voted harm upon me and everyone else. Heck, me calling them “stupid” _is_ me being nice, that’s giving them the benefit of the doubt. I also said not one word about talking nice to them. Instead, I specifically called them stupid (or ignorant) as well in my previous post. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/232 "2024-12-09T16:08:05Z")
> [@robby](#): > > The bottom line is that people’s motivations matter, IMHO. Actions and the results of those actions are what matter, not motives. The victims of those Trump voters won’t suffer any less regardless of what those motives were. And in any case, _no_ motive is good enough for an act so evil and so stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/233 "2024-12-09T17:15:39Z")
Am I taking crazy pills again? Last I checked, 77% of Black men voted for Harris. Is there another demographic other than Black women who voted for Harris more overwhelmingly? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/234 "2024-12-09T17:22:49Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Am I taking crazy pills again? Last I checked, 77% of Black men voted for Harris. Hmm … 100 - 77 = 23% So, almost 1/4 of all voting Black males would rather see a White Supremacist fascist, racist, sexist, insurrectionist pig who would reinstitute slavery if he could get away with it hold the most powerful office in the world rather than vote for an intelligent, experienced Black female politician with experience in the executive branch of the government. Gee, what am I so upset about?! 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/235 "2024-12-09T17:24:32Z")
Thank you for ignoring the second part. So now we can start pitting the “Traitorous White Suburban Female Trump Supporters” who: > [@Jasmine](#): > > would rather see a White Supremacist fascist, racist, sexist, insurrectionist pig who would reinstitute slavery if he could get away with it hold the most powerful office in the world rather than vote for an intelligent, experienced Black female politician with experience in the executive branch of the government. Or are we just heaping hundreds of angry posts on THIS demographic because they should know better and owe their votes to Democrats? This entire thread actually proves split\_p\_j right. ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/236 "2024-12-09T17:27:06Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > 77% of Black men voted for Harris. Is there another demographic other than Black women who voted for Harris more overwhelmingly? Is there a number low enough for you to say “Wow, Black men really are traitorous”? Or a number high enough for you to demand I concede “Wow, Black men really stood up against Trump”? 77% is low, considering his aggressive racism and his open contempt for people of color. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/237 "2024-12-09T17:33:04Z")
> [@GailForce](#): > > Is there a number low enough for you to say “Wow, Black men really are traitorous”? Sure. If that number is below any of…suburban women, white women, white men, educated men, young women, middle-aged men, Hispanic men, literally EVERY other demographic that’s not Black women. “Demand” you concede they stood up to Trump? They stood up to Trump more than any other demographic out there, except Black women. This thread is a circlejerk of blaming literally 1% of the US public as TRAITORS when 20 times that supported Trump. Fuck outta here with that horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/238 "2024-12-09T17:36:43Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > This thread is a circlejerk of blaming literally 1% of the US public as TRAITORS when 20 times that supported Trump. You are missing the entire point. It’s not just ANY “1% of the U.S. population”, it is the demographic that I described in detail. 23% of that demographic is a huge amount given the circumstances that I described. It’s like 23% of all fish voting for a candidate who wants to dry up all the world’s oceans. What is it that you’re not getting here?! ---
**Author:** ![GailForce](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dfb087/32.png) [@GailForce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GailForce)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/239 "2024-12-09T17:45:42Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > If that number is below any of…suburban women, white women, white men, educated men, young women, middle-aged men, Hispanic men, literally EVERY other demographic that’s not Black women. Look, I’m an elderly, fairly wealthy white person living in a blue state, virtually immune from most threats Trump has expressed (runaway inflation due to tariffs on all imported goods being an exception–that could affect me personally.) I not only voted for Harris/Walz but I busted my ass trying to persuade my elderly, white, wealthy neighbors to vote for Harris (or at least not to vote for Trump) because of all the harm he threatened against the poorest and most vulnerable members of society (not to mention that his proposed tariffs would harm them), because I think we have a responsibility to guard society’s interests above our own. But if we can’t get more 3 out of 4 people whose interests are affected directly to vote in their own interest, we are in serious trouble. I can’t think of a single good reason for ANY Black person to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, much less 1 Black man out 4. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/240 "2024-12-09T17:50:39Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > 23% of that demographic is a huge amount given the circumstances that I described. No, it’s not. It’s a fifth of Hispanic men that voted for Trump. A fifth of child-bearing age white women. A tenth of white women that voted for Trump. A tenth of white men that voted for Trump. The last two groups voted for Trump as a majority. Why is THIS group singled out, and there is no Pit thread for white women? > [@GailForce](#): > > I not only voted for Harris/Walz but I busted my ass trying to persuade my elderly, white, wealthy neighbors to vote for Harris That’s nice. They ignored you more than Black men did. Congratulations on that stunning victory of your friends and neighbors supporting Trump with a majority. > [@GailForce](#): > > But if we can’t get more 3 out of 4 people whose interests are affected directly to vote in their own interest, we are in serious trouble. Then look at the numbers of white child-bearing women whose interests were affected directly voted against their own interest. I’ll give you a hint, it’s higher than Black men. > [@GailForce](#): > > I can’t think of a single good reason for ANY Black person to give Trump the benefit of the doubt I can’t think of a single good reason for ANY PERSON to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but here we are, with 77 million people doing so. But the Dope is 200+ posts concerned with maybe a million of those instead of the 25 million GailForce friends. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2024, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/241 "2024-12-09T17:56:42Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > No, it’s not. It’s a fifth of Hispanic men that voted for Trump THAT is your validation, a group of idiots who voted for the man that wants to sent them all back to … let’s see, how did he phrase it … their “SHIT COUNTRIES”?! > [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Why is THIS group singled out, and there is no Pit thread for white women? Oh, I have plenty of disdain for all the women who support people who want to keep them subservient, but do I have to do everything?! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929.md?page=13)