# Pitting Traitorous Black Male Trump Supporters **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 8, 2024, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929 "2024-11-08T13:31:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/61 "2024-11-08T17:16:26Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The Average Joe _is_ better off, and certainly a lot better than they would be under the Democrats. > [@Mijin](#): > > All this was _more_ true under Trump. Data shows many disagree with you: > **[Democrats' Gen Z dream just died](https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-genz-kamala-harris-trump-election-1981590)** > > Kamala Harris underperformed President Joe Biden's 2020 numbers among young and first time voters in the 2024 election. > Vice President [Kamala Harris](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/kamala-harris)’ hopes of running up the margins among younger voters in the 2024 election did not come to fruition, according to exit polling. > > Donald Trump’s [victory over Harris](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-wins-election-victory-kamala-harris-1981088) was partly due to Trump making significant gains and inroads on his 2020 numbers in a number of voter blocs, including among Gen Z voters—those aged 18 to 27—and first-time voters. > > Voters under age 30 typically vote in fewer numbers than other age demographics and have historically favored Democratic candidates. Exit polling results from this year suggest this voting bloc did not provide the same cushion for [Democrats](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/democrats) as it has in previous elections. > > Preliminary data from the _Associated Press_’[VoteCast polling,](https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-presidential-election-takeaways-d0e4677f4cd53b4d2d8d18d674be5bf4) based on more than 120,000 voters, showed that around half of voters under 30 supported Harris in the 2024 election, down from roughly 6 in 10 who backed President [Joe Biden](https://www.newsweek.com/topic/joe-biden) in 2020. By comparison, more than 40 percent of young voters backed Trump this year, a jump from about one third in 2020. Bottom line is Dems simply did not deliver on promises. Biden made the stock market better. That’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/62 "2024-11-08T17:17:50Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Data shows many disagree with you: Which just shows that Trump is supported by delusional people. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/63 "2024-11-08T17:19:08Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Which just shows that Trump is supported by delusional people. Maybe that should be the next campaign slogan for Dems. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/64 "2024-11-08T17:19:57Z")
Most Trump voters have some kind of pathology. For white people it’s the idea that white people deserve better things than everyone else. Unfortunately a lot of marginalized people seem to have a “side with the abuser” mentality as kind of a coping mechanism, and I think that’s party what’s in play here. Another thing is that there’s a robust war between the sexes within the Black community where a lot of men feel victimized by women, whether because they don’t date Black men, or because they feel that they got roped into a child-support situation. “Hustle culture” (basically cultlike entrepreneurialism) is also big in that demographic. All these things align with Trump support. These people are certainly adults and are accountable for their choices. But what happened this election was obviously a seismic shift with larger forces in play than just individual choices. A lot of people’s media literacy was simply overmatched by the sophistication of the corrupted media machine. I get the impulse to attack and blame, I felt that way in 2016. It seems futile this time around, it feels like this is really misplaced aggression in response to something that’s really too big to blame on any single factor or demographic. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/65 "2024-11-08T17:22:06Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Data shows many disagree with you: Please can you stop repeating things that no-one disputes. Yes, most Americans think they are worse off than they were under Trump. We all accept this, and indeed, accepted this long before the election. However, the data shows the average person _is_ better off, thanks to a lot of Democrat policies, and that conservative media has successfully run a campaign of lying about it. And I dispute that the solution is to accept the premise and run with it. Because where does it end – do they also need to accept the people eating dogs, FEMA not helping red states, democrats tried to assassinate Trump, kids gender transitioning one day in school etc? Because millions believe all that shit too. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/66 "2024-11-08T17:24:34Z")
Have you considered blaming the liars for their lies, for a change? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/67 "2024-11-08T17:25:09Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, what’s important here is that we can blame the Democrats for the destruction the Republicans are wreaking on the country. No, what’s important here is that we learn from our mistakes and don’t repeat this disastrous electoral performance at the midterms, or in 2028. Assigning blame is not important at all, except for insofar as it allows us to identify and fix problems for next time. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/68 "2024-11-08T17:25:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have you considered blaming the liars for their lies, for a change? We’ve been doing that ad nauseum here for ages. If you want to win an election maybe something else needs to be done. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/69 "2024-11-08T17:27:23Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > And I dispute that the solution is to accept the premise and run with it. Well…we know the, “Everything is better under Biden” didn’t work. Didn’t even come close. Lost the whole government. More, data shows Trump increased support almost everywhere in the country. It will take decades to dig out from the damage republicans are likely to cause. I probably will not live long enough to see that happen (if it ever happens). Crazy thought, maybe something else is needed. Maybe dems need to change? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/70 "2024-11-08T17:30:00Z")
The “something else” is to win the messaging war. Which sadly is something Biden was ill-suited for, as well as the MSM. It’s not to accept lies. Which is largely what happened btw – I continue to call BS that the majority of Dems just said everything is great. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/71 "2024-11-08T17:31:56Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > The something else is to win the messaging war. That’s precisely what we’re talking about. You do that by actually addressing the issues people are concerned about, rather than telling them that as dumb children they don’t understand the real issues. > [@Mijin](#): > > It’s not to accept lies. Now YOU are the one arguing against something no one said. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/72 "2024-11-08T17:31:59Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I continue to call BS that the majority of Dems just said everything is great. It is not them saying everything is great, more is it dems saying the world is better under dems and will get more better. They did not deliver under Biden. At least not in a way most Americans felt. Not sure how you change that messaging. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/73 "2024-11-08T17:33:08Z")
It doesn’t look like _we_ have been doing much of that at all. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/74 "2024-11-08T17:34:01Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Crazy thought, maybe something else is needed. Maybe dems need to change? Like, _how?_ It’s easy to say that, but it’s useless advice without suggestions that don’t boil down to "become the Republicans. Which both won’t work and would be pointless, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/75 "2024-11-08T17:34:15Z")
Haven’t read the thread. Worth remembering: with Trump supporters, it’s what they DON’T know that leads them to BE Trump supporters. And Trump has so effectively ‘flooded the zone’ with misinformation, disinformation, and egregiously ridiculous bullshit that – if a low-information voter has only heard a _few_ things in the last eight years – I’d say it’s overwhelmingly likely to have been MAGA propaganda. Without regard to race, gender, religion, socioeconomic status, or – to a degree – age. But the more people consume social media, then – IMHO – the more my position holds true for them. It isn’t only those solidly in the cult who are vulnerable to the marketing tactics _of_ that cult. There’s spillover. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/76 "2024-11-08T17:34:20Z")
I have lots of posting on this board. Lots and lots and lots of posts trashing Trump and supporting democrats over republicans. You are free to go find where I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/77 "2024-11-08T17:35:30Z")
You keep mixing reality and unsubstantiated feelings as if they are one and the same. Did things actually get worse under Biden- yrs, or no? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/78 "2024-11-08T17:35:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It will take decades to dig out from the damage republicans are likely to cause. I probably will not live long enough to see that happen (if it ever happens). > > Crazy thought, maybe something else is needed. Maybe dems need to change? The Dems need to make changes, but more than that America needs to change. It’s a country now of anti-intellectualism, belief in conspiracy theories and hate. I guess things have to get really, really bad before they can get any better. > [@Babale](#): > > You do that by actually addressing the issues people are concerned about, rather than telling them that as dumb children they don’t understand the real issues. _Who the fuck said that?_ I continue to call BS. _Here on the dope_ we called people misinformed etc, because they are. I don’t recall hearing any time a prominent Democrat tried to fight the disinformation without couching it in the same sentence with understanding people’s financial hardship. ---
**Author:** ![StringsandHammers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stringsandhammers/32/17933_2.png) [@StringsandHammers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StringsandHammers)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/79 "2024-11-08T17:36:53Z")
When in doubt blame the brown and black man… The more things change the more they stay the same. Turning Hispanics and black men into the scapegoats of the Democratic Party is no way to lure them back, it will only have the exact opposite effect. Can’t we just blame inflation instead? Everybody hates inflation, white prople, black people, Asians… Literal drug addicts and prostitutes hate inflation… Well maybe not prostitutes but just sayin… ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929/80 "2024-11-08T17:37:36Z")
Yes and no. The point is how voters felt. That’s gonna be feelings. And I am the only one who posted data about those feelings. And Harris lost because of those feelings. But, keep telling people they were wrong and their life is better. Maybe it will work at the next election. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-traitorous-black-male-trump-supporters/1009929.md?page=5)