# Pitting UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734 "2018-09-22T16:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/181 "2019-06-18T08:53:10Z")
> [@Harrington](#): > > How does someone scream that long and vigorously (or at all) over a dead iguana? A dead human, sure, maybe. A dead iguana? Well, you know, one reptile may have a certain concern for another reptile’s demise. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/182 "2019-06-20T01:49:01Z")
Such a charming fellow. > [@](#): > > So we need more rules that are just made up on the spot? Where did this “no rape jokes” rule come from? I see no sticky about it. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21706556&postcount=58](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21706556&postcount=58) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/183 "2019-06-20T01:58:16Z")
Courts in this numbskull’s area advise defendants to just go ahead and represent themselves. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/184 "2019-06-20T09:58:03Z")
And in this thread. > [@I did a nice gesture.....we'll see if it's appreciated or not](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-did-a-nice-gesture-well-see-if-its-appreciated-or-not/835515/191): > > You know, this gets confusing. In some threads we are not supposed to treat women any differently at all because that is just stereotyping and archaic. Yet in some cases we are to treat women as if they are in 1588 Elizabethan England because they are delicate flowers that cannot conform to the scary people that they see in society and likely need protection from their husbands. Which is it? Such a clever argument! Is this guy an actual attorney? Don’t the opposing lawyers laugh whenever he shows up? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/185 "2019-06-20T12:24:11Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > And in this thread. Such a clever argument! Is this guy an actual attorney? Not only is he an actual attorney, he’s one of very few who can boast an impressive 100% conviction rate! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/186 "2019-06-20T13:37:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Not only is he an actual attorney, he’s one of very few who can boast an impressive 100% conviction rate! > [@West Virginia DA](#): > > I recommend him highly! … ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/187 "2019-06-20T13:42:04Z")
You know what they call the guy who finishes last in his law school class? A lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/188 "2019-06-20T15:17:52Z")
I’m on my phone so I can’t link it, but damn, he’s got a creepy post in the thread I linked about giving candy to little girls and patting their heads. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/189 "2019-06-20T15:56:15Z")
“but why can’t we post rape jokes, there’s no explicit rule against it!” ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/190 "2019-06-20T16:59:30Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > This fucker needs to stop lying. He’s not a lawyer - or if he is, he’s obviously full of shit. I really wish we could have some moderator intervention here - “Hey, listen, we know you claim to be a lawyer, so that means either many of your posts here (and definitely the post in that thread) are in blatant bad faith and you know you’re lying about them, or you’re lying about being a lawyer. One or the other has to fucking stop.” As I have stated previously, he is really a lawyer. I know this because he has doxxed himself on this site. Interestingly his practice’s website is down right now. I wonder if his complete inability to construct a logical argument has impacted business negatively. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2019, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/191 "2019-06-20T17:34:12Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > I’m on my phone so I can’t link it, but damn, he’s got a creepy post in the thread I linked about giving candy to little girls and patting their heads. Back in the day. When no one worried about men giving lollipops to little girls. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/192 "2019-07-22T23:09:08Z")
West Virginia’s dumbest lawyer wants to know, “Where do we draw the line?” Literally the same question he asks in every fucking thread. > [@What "Conservative Values" aren't based on bigotry?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/602): > > If one wants to say that being against gay marriage and trans “rights” is bigoted, then one needs to define “bigoted.” When does opposition to someone turn into bigotry? I am against littering. When does that turn into bigotry against a class of people known as Litterers? Or… > [@Alarming trend in moderation](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/alarming-trend-in-moderation/836891/77): > > The problem with “don’t be a jerk” is that one’s jerkishness has gone far beyond a universal recognition of being a jerk and into a wholly subjective and subconsciously politically based determination of what being a jerk consists of. It really has come to mean nothing more than “upsets a moderator at this time.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/193 "2019-07-23T03:35:26Z")
He was totally dominating the Berkeley thread with his [“this serves no purpose except for this purpose”](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=879070&page=2#56) argument. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/194 "2019-07-23T03:37:58Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > He was totally dominating the Berkeley thread with his [“this serves no purpose except for this purpose”](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=879070&page=2#56) argument. Notice he completely ignored my question in that. I’m too lazy to start a new thread just to get an answer, however. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/195 "2019-07-24T12:51:15Z")
West Virginia’s Dumbest Lawyer has now decided to pose the question (paraphrasing): how is Russian influence on our elections any worse than someone from Illinois working on a campaign in Wisconsin? He’s got us there. They’re _exactly the same thing_. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/196 "2019-07-24T16:51:59Z")
Yep. If they “won”, everyone in Wisconsin would have to stop supporting the Packers. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/197 "2019-07-24T20:29:31Z")
> [@What "Conservative Values" aren't based on bigotry?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/602): > > West Virginia’s dumbest lawyer wants to know, “Where do we draw the line?” Literally the same question he asks in every fucking thread. > > > [@What "Conservative Values" aren't based on bigotry?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-conservative-values-arent-based-on-bigotry/837176/602): > > > > If one wants to say that being against gay marriage and trans “rights” is bigoted, then one needs to define “bigoted.” **When does opposition to someone turn into bigotry?** I am against littering. When does that turn into bigotry against a class of people known as Litterers? I’ve not been too interested in participating in that thread, but I’m glad that you linked that question. I’d say it turns into bigotry when it’s OPPOSITION to SOMEONE instead of opposition to SOMETHING. It’s like Mr. Pratchett articulated, it starts with treating people as things. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/198 "2019-07-24T20:35:22Z")
The USA has laws prohibiting participation in American elections by foreign countries. If Wisconsin has laws prohibiting participation in Wisconsin by out-of-state actors, the analogy might be supportable. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/199 "2019-12-31T03:49:41Z")
This dumb motherfucker is at it again. > [@logical flaw in Impeachment Articles](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/logical-flaw-in-impeachment-articles/845614/56): > > A scary sounding term like “interfering in the election” implies far more than a few stupid memes. What is his deal with minimizing 2016 election interference as memes? In a different thread he’s also pushing the Russian propaganda that Hunter Biden was rewarded by Burisma as thanks for Joe Biden getting the prosecutor fired. > [@The Trump Impeachment Inquiry](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-impeachment-inquiry/840771/6602): > > You have Hunter Biden with no experience, no ties to Ukraine, no education, or any knowledge at all about oil and gas getting a lucrative position. This just so happened after Joe Biden demanded that a prosecutor be fired or else he would withhold $1 Billion in aid. The problem here is that dumbass got the sequence of events backwards. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/200 "2019-12-31T13:08:23Z")
Attempting to diminish the significance of Trump’s actions by falsely claiming that both sides withhold aid is a slight step up the maturity scale from the “he made me do it” defense currently the rage with Republicans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=11)