# Pitting UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734 "2018-09-22T16:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/261 "2020-05-19T00:32:35Z")
> [@str8cashhomie](#): > > I’m honored to be a part of this historic moment. Hey, everyone. What basic tenet of the law (or the real world) would we like **str8cashhomie** to explain to **UV** next? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/262 "2020-05-31T21:07:33Z")
[He’s a-lawyerin’ again!](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=897212) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/263 "2020-06-16T03:27:20Z")
Jesus fuck. This and other posts like it are cleanosexuals all over again. > [@Supreme Court rules for LGBTQ right to sue!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-rules-for-lgbtq-right-to-sue/855699/72): > > Okay, so how about this. A big burly man in my employ, with full beard, and identifies as a man asks for a raise. I don’t give it to him. He tries to find a way to jab at me without being fired. > > He comes to work the next morning, before going out to meet clients in a rural area, wearing a flowered dress, with high heels, and wearing makeup. Just for spite. I tell him to get the fuck out, he is fired. > > Under Gorsuch’s opinion, I am liable. Why? Because I fired him because: 1) he was being a dick, and 2) he was dressed like a woman. So #2 means that my firing is actionable. If we switched his sex to female, I would have no objection to him wearing a dress, high heels, and makeup. Just because I had an additional reason, that he was being a spiteful dick, does not provide cover for my sex based discrimination. > > Could someone point to something in Gorsuch’s opinion that gives me as an employer some cover? ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/264 "2020-06-16T04:49:29Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Jesus fuck. This and other posts like it are cleanosexuals all over again. I tried reading through that thread but idiotic posts like that one made me give up. He’s a blithering idiot and a troll. God help anyone who hires him to perform any legal task more complicated than drawing up a hall pass. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/265 "2020-06-16T05:09:10Z")
There’s no way that clown is really a lawyer. I’m certainly not one; however, part of my jobs in the Army and Navy included some matters related to legal issues. Again, there’s no way that clown is really a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/266 "2020-06-16T06:45:00Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > There’s no way that clown is really a lawyer. I’m certainly not one; however, part of my jobs in the Army and Navy included some matters related to legal issues. Again, there’s no way that clown is really a lawyer. He’s real. I’d link but I’m not doxxing anyone no matter how much of an ass he is. But I’ve seen his website and his presence on registries. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/267 "2020-06-16T14:44:33Z")
Then, given the stuff I’ve seen him not know, I question what strings he was able to pull to pass the bar. How the fuck can a defense lawyer not know how intent works? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/268 "2020-06-16T14:48:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Then, given the stuff I’ve seen him not know, I question what strings he was able to pull to pass the bar. > > How the fuck can a defense lawyer not know how intent works? I said it before: _Dumb morons, Practice law In a state The Bar is low West Virginia Somethin somethin_ ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/269 "2020-06-16T15:24:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Then, given the stuff I’ve seen him not know, I question what strings he was able to pull to pass the bar. > > How the fuck can a defense lawyer not know how intent works? I’ve known people that can study like a maniac to pass a test, then after (barely) passing they retain zero of what they’d studied. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/270 "2020-06-16T15:31:52Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I’ve known people that can study like a maniac to pass a test, then after (barely) passing they retain zero of what they’d studied. I refer to that as “the massive data dump after exams”. Many students here are shocked that they can be tested on the same material twice. I guess “cumulative” wasn’t covered in any language courses. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Terrific](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tom_terrific/32/342_2.png) [@Tom\_Terrific](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Terrific)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/271 "2020-06-16T16:58:24Z")
In my opinion he’s just a successful troll. Any actual lawyer that posts the stupid shit about the law he does must be trolling. His refusal to see facts that are plainly presented to him are another indication of troll. I would much rather Shodan was here and UltraVires been banned. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/272 "2020-06-16T19:37:23Z")
[When Dr-Freaking-Deth points out ridiculousness…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=22357237#post22357237) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/273 "2020-06-17T03:24:50Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [When Dr-Freaking-Deth points out ridiculousness…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=22357237#post22357237) When cuckoo for cocoa puffs recognizes that your argument is ridiculous, you should probably step away from the keyboard. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/274 "2020-06-25T04:47:29Z")
Well, it’s just like the old joke about doctors: What do you call the guy who graduated last in his class at law school? A lawyer Dude probably just squeaked by with the lowest score possible. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2020, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/275 "2020-06-25T05:07:55Z")
**UltraVires** wants Bubba Wallace to pay for falsely reporting the noose that was found in his garage (but turned out to be a false alarm) (Not sure if link will come through; phone posting is tricky) > [@The great NASCAR Noose Incident fizzles out](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-great-nascar-noose-incident-fizzles-out/912577/12): > > I’m upset that there is no punishment for Wallace forthcoming. The guy sees a door pull and goes ape shit and reports that it is a noose, upsetting the public, upsetting the sport, and involving the Federal Bureau of Investigation over a fucking garage door pull. There are riots going on out there and how much more destruction of property does he want to occur because either: 1) He’s an idiot, or 2) he purposely misreported this for more headlines. > > Wasn’t the first clue that this rope actually had a function? Then, after **China\_Guy** sets him straight that Bubba didn’t find it or report it, his team member did, UV doubles down. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2020, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/276 "2020-06-25T05:36:09Z")
Hey, moron gotta moron. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2020, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/277 "2020-06-25T06:06:38Z")
The fact that the new software shows that his statements were linked in the West Virginia’s Dumbest Lawyer thread is… Fucking incredible. No matter any other headaches, that feature makes the move worth it. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2020, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/278 "2020-06-25T06:28:03Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > The fact that the new software shows that his statements were linked in the West Virginia’s Dumbest Lawyer thread is… Fucking incredible. No matter any other headaches, that feature makes the move worth it Lol, hadn’t even noticed that yet. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2020, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/279 "2020-06-25T12:45:35Z")
West Virginia’s dumbest lawyer on discrimination… > [@Supreme Court rules for LGBTQ right to sue!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/supreme-court-rules-for-lgbtq-right-to-sue/855699/128): > > Even a more extreme example. A male employee waives his erect penis at other employees in the common office area. Would I fire a biological woman for waiving her erect penis? I would not as it is a biological impossibility, therefore according to Gorsuch, if I changed the sexes, no action would have been taken, and sex was at least a part of it. Yes, the waiving of the erect penis was a larger part of it, but if ANY part of it is because of sex, it is actionable. > > And again, it does no good to say that I would fire a woman for exposing her vagina in the common area, because as Gorsuch says, we cannot change different facts, and the level of discrimination we look at is to the individual employee. Far from being protected because I would fire both employees for exposing their genitals, I have double exposure for discriminating against the man in the first instance and the woman in the second. There’s not getting it, and then there’s aggressively not getting it. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/280 "2020-06-25T12:48:19Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > The fact that the new software shows that his statements were linked in the West Virginia’s Dumbest Lawyer thread is… Fucking incredible. No matter any other headaches, that feature makes the move worth it. Wow. They’re probably going to want to fix that, but for now it is a beautiful thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=15)