# Pitting UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734 "2018-09-22T16:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/321 "2021-01-01T14:15:06Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > _Everyone_ I see outside my home is wearing a mask, and there’s no cameras in sight. It’s mostly the same for me. On fairly empty side streets in my sleepy NYC suburb, some people aren’t wearing masks (and giving everyone else a wide berth), but once you get to the park or the downtown area, we’re all masked up, even if there’s no one within 50 feet. It’s just easier than taking it on and off all the time. After all the death and damage, it’s stunning to me that not everyone is doing the same. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/322 "2021-01-01T16:57:01Z")
Even here in Arizona when I went grocery shopping this week, virtually everyone was masked with very few noses exposed and _no_ chin masks. They _can_ be taught! ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/323 "2021-01-01T17:20:02Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I found a sparsely occupied Times Square _reassuring_ that somewhere in the US the pandemic was being taken seriously for a change. Yeah we are not fucking around in NYC. Almost every single person I see just walking outside on the street has a mask on here. “For the TV” is fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/324 "2021-04-03T10:29:18Z")
I held off for a while, as I though the guy was trying to be good, but it’s clear he’s back to his old tricks. First time I’d seen system lock a post in ages, to the point I thought the feature had been removed. > [@Breaking News: U.S. Capitol building on lockdown \[Attempt to drive car into\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/breaking-news-u-s-capitol-building-on-lockdown-attempt-to-drive-car-into/939248/19): > > You messed up the nature of the thread. This was supposed to be an angry white male Trump supporter and when that was “confirmed” it would have been a 100 reply pile on. Your reply does not fit in with the standards of the board. Guy doesn’t care the seat of government was attacked (in a thread on that topic). Just gotta try and pwn the libs for daring to not support a coup attempt against our country. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/325 "2021-04-03T14:25:02Z")
And he got a warning for it, which is immensely satisfying. He’s a jerk. Worse, he’s a _stupid_ jerk. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/326 "2021-04-03T14:30:28Z")
He did a drive-by threadshit in the Gaetz thread, too. He just popped in to ask if Gaetz really did anything illegal. Then took offense when multiple posters pointed out YES, and admitted he hadn’t read the thread. Or any news, presumably, acting like he’d never heard of this minor news story. My comment: > [@Matt Gaetz being investigated for sex with 17 year old girl (DOJ declines to charge 2023-02-15)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-gaetz-being-investigated-for-sex-with-17-year-old-girl-doj-declines-to-charge-2023-02-15/939052/145): > > > [@Matt Gaetz being investigated for sex with 17 year old girl (DOJ declines to charge 2023-02-15)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-gaetz-being-investigated-for-sex-with-17-year-old-girl-doj-declines-to-charge-2023-02-15/939052/137): > > > > I skipped to the end, and, of course it is far from admirable, but isn’t sex with a 17 year old _legal_ in New York? > > > [@Matt Gaetz being investigated for sex with 17 year old girl (DOJ declines to charge 2023-02-15)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/matt-gaetz-being-investigated-for-sex-with-17-year-old-girl-doj-declines-to-charge-2023-02-15/939052/139): > > > > I’m an attorney but didn’t get a full statement of the facts… > > But before dropping a wet blanket on a topic, don’t you read something about the subject, or at least skim the thread? > > (Anyone else picturing a lawyer walking into a courtroom and asking “So, what’s this case about? And which side am I on? Well, geez, your honor, give me a break, I haven’t had a chance to read anything. So, where do I sit, at this table, or over here with this guy?”) > > Guess I’m a little disappointed. When I saw you’d posted, I was assuming we’d get a legal perspective, and I would’ve liked to hear your take on Gaetz and his situation. But not just “Ehhh, no big deal, did he really do anything wrong?” ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/327 "2021-04-03T14:39:20Z")
For sure. I don’t live there anymore but I still own my apartment - I sublet it. My building has imposed a $500 fine -per offense- for not wearing a mask in the public areas of the building and they are using the security cameras to help them enforce the rule. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/328 "2021-04-03T15:38:23Z")
Which are unenforceable. Landlords cant set up their own private justice system. These ‘rules’ could also be used to discriminate. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/329 "2021-04-03T15:47:04Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Which are unenforceable. Landlords cant set up their own private justice system. Why would they not be? When you sign a lease, you agree to abide by the rules of the complex. I know several appt complexes that will fine you if they catch you letting your dog poop without cleaning it up. How is this any different? > **[What to do when pet owners don't pick up after their pooches - AAOA](https://www.american-apartment-owners-association.org/property-management/landlord-quick-tips/pet-owners-dont-pick-pooches/)** > > How do you prevent doggie land mines on your property? Here are some ideas that will hopefully eliminate the poop problem. > [@](#): > > Failure to pick up after their dog should result in a fine, even after the first time. This should make pet owners more likely to clean up after their pets and keep the grounds looking good. > [@madsircool](#): > > These ‘rules’ could also be used to discriminate. How would the rules be used to discriminate? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/330 "2021-04-03T15:58:56Z")
I’m pretty sure charging people money to enter private property I own is legal. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/331 "2021-04-03T16:41:22Z")
The rule is definitely binding on residents, assuming it’s not used in a discriminatory manner. But it’s not inherently discriminatory. We might not be able to fine the UPS guy or the guy fixing the elevator. But every resident has signed an agreement agreeing that they and their guests will abide by rules approved by the board and acknowledging they may be fined if they don’t. The building is a co-op, not a condo. I’m not going to go into the differences but co-ops are more restrictive than condos. Every resident, whether they own or sublet, has signed a contract with the building as a condition of being allowed to live there. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/332 "2021-04-03T18:07:08Z")
Suspended now, for at least one day. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy. [I had never opened this thread until now, assuming it was about some bozo in the news, not a Doper.] ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2021, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/333 "2021-04-03T18:18:22Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Or any news, presumably, acting like he’d never heard of this minor news story. Pro tip: If others are commenting on a news story and you’ve never heard of it, refrain from posting about it until you’ve done some research. Especially around here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2021, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/334 "2021-04-04T01:51:49Z")
Unless of course, you are West Virginia’s Dumbest Lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/335 "2021-04-07T19:21:52Z")
He’s not a lawyer! [Thats Not A Cat Friends GIF - Thats Not A Cat Friends Joey Tribbiani - Discover & Share GIFs](https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-acat-friends-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-gif-15137510) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/336 "2021-04-07T23:25:40Z")
Not sure I follow. Foundation? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/337 "2021-04-07T23:41:11Z")
For someone familiar with Friends, one of the characters adopted a hairless cat (a Sphynx) and another character (Joey, who is in the gif) insists repeatedly that it isn’t a cat. Because no cat looks like that. The humor being that of course it’s a cat, albeit a weird-looking one, but no matter what anyone says Joey can’t be convinced it’s a cat. [![](https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,h_1190,w_2120,x_0,y_68/f_auto,q_auto,w_1100/v1612372034/shape/mentalfloss/641669-gettyimages-1182725559.jpg) ](https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/image/upload/c_crop,h_1190,w_2120,x_0,y_68/f_auto,q_auto,w_1100/v1612372034/shape/mentalfloss/641669-gettyimages-1182725559.jpg) So the argument made here is that UV can’t be a lawyer because no real lawyer would ever act this way. (I believe the implication being that of course UV is a lawyer, just a really dumb one, much as the Sphynx is a cat, just a really strange one.) ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/338 "2021-04-07T23:46:26Z")
That cat looks like a sock puppet with a real cat’s head on top. It will haunt my dreams and turn them into nightmares. Damn you. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/339 "2021-04-08T00:30:26Z")
Oh, don’t be creeped out. Just because it’s a past-its-sell-by-date uncooked chicken with a zombie (“Monkey’s Paw” style) partially-mummified cat’s head screwed on top… sweet dreams! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/340 "2021-04-08T01:22:00Z")
Just don’t get the image in your head of it licking itself. Don’t! Don’t think about it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=18)