# Pitting UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734 "2018-09-22T16:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/421 "2021-07-15T06:52:55Z")
Quite so, the very image of gentility itself. [![](https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9e/e3/56/9ee3565bc7c42b4727f33031b12f2663--corporate-portrait-lion-print.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/474x/9e/e3/56/9ee3565bc7c42b4727f33031b12f2663--corporate-portrait-lion-print.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/422 "2021-07-15T08:03:38Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Excuse me? He has been unfailingly polite, but **you** two have been nothing but **rude**. A polite scoundrel is still a scoundrel. I prefer a rude truth to a polite and polished lie. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/423 "2021-07-15T08:33:28Z")
See: > **[\#1062; The Terrible Sea Lion](http://wondermark.com/1k62/)** > > (Click to read the whole comic) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/424 "2021-07-15T12:31:34Z")
His voting rights thread really demonstrated how clueless he is about racism in the US. It was the most white privilege-y thread I’ve seen in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/425 "2021-07-15T12:43:14Z")
Hey, give him a break. It’s not like he lives in a state where racism is so rampant that you can’t avoid seeing it every day, like West Virginia or somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/426 "2021-07-15T12:59:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It’s not like he lives in a state where racism is so rampant that you can’t avoid seeing it every day, like West Virginia or somewhere. There have to be non-white people around to see most racism, and WV is 93% white. There may be the occasional odd comment, but it isn’t going to come up much in everyday life. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/427 "2021-07-15T13:13:17Z")
7% is still plenty to be able to see them, and I’m sure that UltraVires has had plenty of exposure to the racism they’re subjected to. Like, say, assigning minority defendants the most incompetent defense attorney in the country. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/428 "2021-07-15T13:15:49Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > There have to be non-white people around to see most racism, and WV is 93% white. WTF? Do you also think that you have to have some non-straight people to see homophobia? That implies that you’ll see more homophobia in San Francisco than in, say, Wyoming. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/429 "2021-07-15T13:17:55Z")
Honestly, I don’t understand why West Virginia gets so much shit, except perhaps for showing “disloyalty” by seceding. From Virginia. To remain in the Union. Oh, right, people there are poor. So fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/430 "2021-07-15T13:35:30Z")
Maybe WV of 1863 isn’t the West Virginia of today? But you already knew that. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/431 "2021-07-15T13:46:00Z")
I sure did. But you’d be surprised how historical impressions form and linger, even as the memories fade as generations pass. Think of it as a meme that started out with a solid grounding in the animosity of the Civil War’s immediate aftermath, buoyed by the lost cause myth (the idea of a large segment of free white southerners being _opposed_ to secession sure does muddy the waters and lend itself to the possibility that maybe _not_ everyone was alright with fighting a war for the slavers and calling it “states rights”—certainly we can’t let _those_ be painted as good guys in all this, so they must actually be uniquely depraved and deficient, worthy of scorn, right?), and perpetuated into the present to the point that now people aren’t even sure _why_ they must dump on West Virginia on cue, as opposed to… some other state. And for the record, I don’t exactly endorse regionalism and the like, but when I see it, I am especially troubled by the baggage that gets heaped on West Virginia, of all places. If we’re going to shit on one state more than others, might we at least pick one that fought a war to preserve slavery? Florida man, where are you when we need you? ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/432 "2021-07-15T13:53:20Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Florida man, where are you when we need you? Mar-a-lago? `//i\\` ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/433 "2021-07-15T14:02:27Z")
The only alternative to racism is stupidity. Repbilicans were never bringing coal jobs back, so it is giving them the benefit of the doubt that Obama’s race was the cause of their hard right swing and not that they’re drooling morons. Of course they are not mutually exclusive, and it doesn’t apply to all voters, yada yada ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/434 "2021-07-15T14:38:54Z")
I’m curious as to what shit you think that West Virginia is getting in this thread. I pity West Virginia, to some extent, as it is unique in being the home to the pittee of this thread, but other than that, I’m not really seeing what it is that you have come in to complain about. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/435 "2021-07-15T14:56:12Z")
I have a lot of relatives on my mom’s side in West Virginia. I’m descended from a lot of West Virginians. I’ve never been there though. I did grow up hearing slurs against the state, however, from my hoity-toity relatives from fancy Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/436 "2021-07-15T15:04:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > 7% is still plenty to be able to see them, and I’m sure that UltraVires has had plenty of exposure to the racism they’re subjected to. Like, say, assigning minority defendants the most incompetent defense attorney in the country. I don’t have time to dig up the post right now, but he has posted that he’s never personally seen racism once in the criminal justice system. He did allow that it may happen in rare cases. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/437 "2021-07-15T15:04:57Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > 7% is still plenty to be able to see them, and I’m sure that UltraVires has had plenty of exposure to the racism they’re subjected to. Like, say, assigning minority defendants the most incompetent defense attorney in the country. Huh? I don’t recall him mentioning having a lot of minorities as clients. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/438 "2021-07-15T15:12:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’ve never been there though I’ve never stayed, but if you are driving from Ohio to the east coast, you have to pass through it about 37 times. > [@Atamasama](#): > > I did grow up hearing slurs against the state, however, from my hoity-toity relatives from fancy Ohio. You should hear what we say about Michigan. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/439 "2021-07-15T15:13:01Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You should hear what we say about Michigan. Oh yeah, you don’t bring up Michigan around my mom. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2021, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/440 "2021-07-15T15:13:39Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’m curious as to what shit you think that West Virginia is getting in this thread. I was most recently replying to an exchange that included this assertion: > [@Chronos](#): > > Hey, give him a break. It’s not like he lives in a state where racism is so rampant that you can’t avoid seeing it every day, like West Virginia or somewhere. Maybe there are metrics out there somewhere establishing West Virginia as an exceptionally racist state (keeping in mind we have so many other states to choose from), but in general I am opposed to singling out WV for ridicule just off-hand. I am perhaps primed, reflexively, to associate anti-WV sentiment as stemming, however far removed, from a meme that originated thanks in part to “proud Southern society” (the Lost Cause movement) wanting to scoff at hillbillies and the like who showed them, point of fact, no, poor white folks _don’t_ have to secede just so some assholes in other parts of the state can keep people as slaves. This is perhaps owing to my time living in western Virginia, where the Lost Cause myth was alive and well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=23)