# Pitting UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734 "2018-09-22T16:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/801 "2022-10-31T07:47:36Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > I was afraid he’d come back! There is news. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 9:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/802 "2022-10-31T09:46:55Z")
Oh he really is back and just as awful as usual. He is trying hard to convince us that we should trust the SCOTUS, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. And there are no acceptable cites to him. I just accidentally thought about him the other day. I’m sorry if I summoned him. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/803 "2022-10-31T16:56:47Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > I just accidentally thought about him the other day. I’m sorry if I summoned him. I want to give him a pass because he had my back when a mod closed one of my threads and I thank him for that, but I just read his latest reply in that ATMB thread and shudder to think where he is dragging it to. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/804 "2022-10-31T19:21:26Z")
UV is okay sometimes. You can have reasonable conversations with him now and then. He can even be civil in an argument. But then there are other times when he’s awful. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/805 "2022-10-31T21:08:13Z")
His current insistence that only his interpretation of the rules is correct, and even if it wasn’t, the rule wasn’t enforced, sounds remarkably like a certainly class of low-grade Trump lawyers. I had minimal sympathy for his bitch at the delay to get consensus from the mods, but now? Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/806 "2022-10-31T21:31:01Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > His current insistence that only his interpretation of the rules is correct, and even if it wasn’t, the rule wasn’t enforced, sounds remarkably like a certainly class of low-grade Trump lawyers. Aw come on, “Trump lawyer” has to be as low as anyone can get in the legal profession. That’s harsh. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/807 "2022-10-31T21:59:51Z")
I beg to differ, _indicted_ and _censured_ Trump lawyer is the lowest anyone can get in the legal profession. The more competent ones manage to skate by without those two additions. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/808 "2022-10-31T23:36:37Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > I beg to differ, _indicted_ and _censured_ Trump lawyer is the lowest anyone can get in the legal profession. No, you could always sink to Vice President. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/809 "2022-11-01T04:08:12Z")
It’s really nice to have him back . . . I mean who doesn’t enjoy a temper tantrum in ATMB? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/810 "2022-11-01T04:15:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > UV is okay sometimes. The most successful and enduring trolls often are. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/811 "2022-11-01T10:04:01Z")
Living proof of bell curve distribution of graduates from law school. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/812 "2022-11-01T11:14:12Z")
What do you call the person that finishes last in ~~medical~~ law school? A ~~doctor~~ lawyer! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/813 "2022-11-01T11:39:26Z")
> [@Seriously, this thread is closed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/1): > > Is truth banned on the SDMB? > [@Seriously, this thread is closed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/10): > > What happened to the board where you could talk about anything? > [@Seriously, this thread is closed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/71): > > This board has really, really lost its way. > [@Seriously, this thread is closed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/seriously-this-thread-is-closed/974031/86): > > mean, why keep calling it Great Debates? Just call it Great Liberal Echo Chamber. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/aKm6d-Xlxmc/hqdefault.jpg "Isn't anybody gonna help that poor man?") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKm6d-Xlxmc) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/814 "2022-11-01T14:57:25Z")
It became very clear that his theoretical reason for the ATMB thread in question was likely far less important to him than the bully pulpit he is currently pounding on. And IMHO, he lost (for me at least) the tiny bit of consideration that the original point might have raised, and gone from +1, to -10 in credibility. I can’t imagine he thinks he’s in any improving said standing, so is this the birth of Octopus 2.0, has someone or something IRL tipped him over the edge, or is this the beginning of an epic flame out? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/815 "2022-11-02T15:38:15Z")
In which West Virginia’s dumbest lawyer implies that his fellow posters would enjoy Trump being raped… > [@Does Trump get indicted?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/23): > > Second, it brings into question the issues that you pose. How is a former president going to do prison time? We give him guards if he decides to go to the corner grocery, but for some white collar crime we are going to throw him in gen pop to be raped and murdered? Again, some of you might secretly (or openly) enjoy such a thing, but let’s be reasonable: you don’t want to see that happen to a former president and it will not realistically happen. If you read back through this thread you’ll find that many of the disgusting things this dumbass posts that make their way to this thread are directly due to him projecting his shitty views onto others. I am going to assume that that’s also the case here. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/816 "2022-11-03T00:24:29Z")
Ann makes a good point. > [@Does Trump get indicted?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/38): > > First, NO ONE should be raped or murdered in prison, and I find it telling that you have a problem with _ **white** _ collar criminals like Trump being put into a situation where that might happen, and not so much of a problem with the fact that it happens at all. Fuck that clueless racist. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/817 "2022-11-03T01:55:51Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > West Virginia’s dumbest lawyer I’m willing to stipulate that clown is either from or is residing in West Virginia, but, given his incredibly bad takes on law here, there’s no way I’ll agree to stipulate he’s a lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/818 "2022-11-03T02:33:08Z")
Unfortunately, I believe he is a lawyer. I pity his clients. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/819 "2022-11-03T03:41:09Z")
Or possibly his clients pity him, keeping him on out of charity, hoping he gets his shite together better and more quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/820 "2022-11-03T07:45:18Z")
As they say, what do you call the person who had the lowest passing score on the bar exam? A lawyer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734.md?page=42)