# Pitting UltraVires **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734 "2018-09-22T16:05:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 561
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734/561 "2022-02-19T17:53:47Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > No, it was more that he was always trying his best to defend odious measures with gotcha games and a poor man’s Socrates. No kidding. And even as he’s arguing that police in a state where weed is not illegal should be free to spontaneously transition to mere citizens mid-traffic stop… and then invent some right of “citizen’s search” on smelling weed as a pretext to conduct a “citizen’s arrest” under federal law… he’s arguing that an old white man with a gun should get a free pass for murder: > [@Florida Movie Theater Shooting Leaves One Dead In Altercation Over Texting](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-movie-theater-shooting-leaves-one-dead-in-altercation-over-texting/678717/267): > > I agree that 8 years is ridiculous and an embarrassment to the legal system and all parties in it. But if IIRC there is some argument about early onset dementia for this old guy. And as a defense attorney, I have always thought there was an unfortunate gap between “Not legally responsible due to mental illness” and “a guy still suffering enough from a mental disability that we don’t bring the full force of the law down on him.” > > Obviously he should never own or possess a gun again, but again, IIRC, the parties keep trying to work out something to be fair. Yes, the victim is dead, but we still don’t impose worthless punishments on people who really don’t understand why they are being punished. Ok, not _quite_ a free pass. He’s willing to allow that maybe the least man should lose his second amendment rights over the incident, which I suppose to someone like UV must be on par with life imprisonment or even the death penalty. FFS. > [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Thank goodness UV is not a lawyer. I laughed out loud at this. It was that or break down sobbing. I may yet. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-ultravires/821734)._