# Pitting Uzi's useless claim about the SDMB being an echo chamber **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060 "2025-02-08T21:24:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![songsoflovetrouble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@songsoflovetrouble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/songsoflovetrouble)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/161 "2025-02-10T17:57:00Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Let’s give two different scenarios involving a poster who is an open supporter of the Republican Party. You’re omitting scenario three: People whose political beliefs are identical to those of Joe Biden or John Fetterman being accused of being secret Republican trolls because they’re not left-wing enough, and then dogpiled/warned/banned because we’ve decided to take such a principled and justified stand against secret Republican trolls for their horrible bigotry. Don’t like it? Well maybe you shouldn’t have _dedicated your life to cruelty and bigotry_, which we know you’ve done because you’re a secret Republican troll. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/162 "2025-02-10T18:05:33Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > People whose political beliefs are identical to those of Joe Biden or John Fetterman being accused of being secret Republican trolls because they’re not left-wing enough, and then dogpiled/warned/banned because we’ve decided to take such a principled and justified stand against secret Republican trolls for their horrible bigotry. I realise with this being the pit that cites are in no way obligatory, but it’d still be nice if you can offer a quote or two on this. Not the end of the world if not done, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/163 "2025-02-10T18:13:35Z")
Stop piling on! They don’t need cites, they have their _feelings_! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/164 "2025-02-10T18:31:36Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > You’re omitting scenario three That’s because that’s made-up bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Zoobi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/13edae/32.png) [@Zoobi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoobi)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/165 "2025-02-10T18:53:47Z")
Let’s assume that this place is as terrible echo chamber. The question then becomes, why are you wasting your time here? It’s like coming back and back again to a restaurant to complain about the inedible food. At some point you’re doing it to yourself. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/166 "2025-02-10T19:25:48Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > In the first scenario the poster states that they know very well what the party stands for but supports them anyway. They have opinions that are not popular with the community here, and may get people griping about them now and then, but for the most part if they don’t engage in behavior that would get anyone in trouble, they’ll be tolerated and may find common ground with people outside of political discussions. We’ve had posters like that (and still have some). Fifteen years and counting! ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/167 "2025-02-10T19:40:24Z")
It just occurred to me that it would be ironic if every reply in this thread was simply support for the OP and/or repeating the same points. Obviously that’s not the case but it would have been damn funny. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/168 "2025-02-10T19:51:18Z")
There are certain issues where this place is an echo chamber for sure. I do realize that facts are facts and should be the same for everyone, but it goes well beyond that to the point that you can’t even ask questions related to some things or you will be jumped on. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/169 "2025-02-10T20:02:24Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I do realize that facts are facts and should be the same for everyone, but… Maybe the worst possible statement to be followed by the word “but”. > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > …it goes well beyond that to the point that you can’t even ask questions related to some things or you will be jumped on. Again, cites probably not in play here, but the only time I’ve ever seen question-askers get jumped on is when their questions are framed in a way that’s either disengenuous or coming from a place that is so indisputably freaking wrong / offensive, that, well, you’re so obviously ‘asking for it’? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/170 "2025-02-10T20:09:38Z")
The funny thing is, the few times I’ve seen this board mentioned elsewhere it’s been characterized as being _too willing_ to allow rightwings to post their falsehoods. Rightwingers think this place is an “echo chamber” because people other than fascists and theocrats are allowed to express an opinion. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/171 "2025-02-10T22:26:21Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Again, cites probably not in play here, but the only time I’ve ever seen question-askers get jumped on is when their questions are framed in a way that’s either disengenuous or coming from a place that is so indisputably freaking wrong / offensive, that, well, you’re so obviously ‘asking for it’? I am quite sure that is the way they are interpreted > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Again, cites probably not in play here, but the only time I’ve ever seen question-askers get jumped on is when their questions are framed in a way that’s either disingenuous or coming from a place that is so indisputably freaking wrong / offensive, that, well, you’re so obviously ‘asking Because the questions are not simply taken at face value. Assumptions are made that are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/172 "2025-02-10T23:10:52Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > This used to be a civil discussion board, where opposing views could be talked about. Many intelligent posters have left or been banned, like **shodan**. Shodan, civil? Maybe before 2006. > [@Shodan, please lay out your case here.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/shodan-please-lay-out-your-case-here/338212/4): > > I believe it correctly characterizes their intent, albeit it’s not a generous interpretation of their words. What faith, after all, does the American family hold? Overwhelmingly, it’s Christian. If they’re emphasizing a Congress that shares this faith, they’re emphasizing a government body that shares the Christian religion. Why emphasize taht if you’re not going to have Congress acting in a manner that is based on these values? I believe that the actions of the 1994 class demonstrated tha… Shodan was banned for misogynist insults after repeatedly being cautioned against using them. He could have expressed exactly the same political views without the misogynist slurs and remained on the board. He chose not to. It was specifically his uncivil behavior that got him banned. Let’s not engage in revisionist history here. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/173 "2025-02-10T23:18:54Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I am quite sure that is the way they are interpreted > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Because the questions are not simply taken at face value. Assumptions are made that are wrong. Sure, you’re getting much, much closer to cite territory with those vague zingers. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/174 "2025-02-10T23:25:07Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Sure, you’re getting much, much closer to cite territory with those vague zingers. I am banned from talking about the topic I am referring to but I will give you a very typical example. If I am in a normal conversation with someone, I like to let them know where my perspective is coming from so they can address, it from that perspective. It doesn’t mean I am claiming anything. It doesn’t mean I am stating any facts, giving someone your perspective is a very helpful way of moving a conversation forward but it doesn’t work like that here. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/175 "2025-02-10T23:28:25Z")
So if I got this right, before making your assertion, you like to provide a sort of preamble of your current mindset prior to making said assertion? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/176 "2025-02-10T23:31:04Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I am banned from talking about the topic I am referring to but I will give you a very typical example. If I am in a normal conversation with someone, I like to let them know where my perspective is coming from so they can address, it from that perspective. It doesn’t mean I am claiming anything. By definition your perspective is a claim. Also, talking about a subject and identifying the subject (or providing a FUCKING LINK) are not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/177 "2025-02-10T23:56:06Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > By definition your perspective is a claim. Thet is bullshit! If I say my perspective is based on these three factors while acknowledging at the same time that there might be more factors I am not aware of that need to be considered. It would not qualify as a claim. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/178 "2025-02-11T00:02:32Z")
If you’re not _claiming_ that your perspective is based on these three factors that your _claiming_ are correct then what the fuck are you doing? ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/179 "2025-02-11T00:08:44Z")
When I form an opinion it is always based on various factors, I also know my opinion is subject to change if different or additional facts are given to me. I always think it is helpful when a person tells me why he or she feels a certain way about something. It certainly doesn’t warrant an attack. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2025, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060/180 "2025-02-11T00:17:25Z")
> [@songsoflovetrouble](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > Let’s give two different scenarios involving a poster who is an open supporter of the Republican Party. > > You’re omitting scenario three: People whose political beliefs are identical to those of Joe Biden or John Fetterman being accused of being secret Republican trolls because they’re not left-wing enough, and then dogpiled/warned/banned because we’ve decided to take such a principled and justified stand against secret Republican trolls for their horrible bigotry. Don’t like it? Well maybe you shouldn’t have _dedicated your life to cruelty and bigotry_, which we know you’ve done because you’re a secret Republican troll. You’re omitting scenario four: Alan Rickman faked his death, because in reality, he _is_ Potions Master Severus Snape, and he’s been surreptitially introducing a mind control potion into the water supply, waiting until an unsuspecting Doper happened to ingest some and could be instructed to sow chaos on the SDMB by posting non-intuitive but barely plausible assertions in suppor– What? I thought we were making up laughable scenarios. Isn’t this the Thread Games forum? whoops. I’ll go away now. my apologies. > [@Zoobi](#): > > Let’s assume that this place is as terrible echo chamber. The question then becomes, why are you wasting your time here? It’s like coming back and back again to a restaurant to complain about the inedible food. At some point you’re doing it to yourself. You can only tolerate minuscule portions for so long, y’know… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-uzis-useless-claim-about-the-sdmb-being-an-echo-chamber/1014060.md?page=10)