# Pixie cuts on straight women. Why God Why?! **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 13, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389 "2014-09-13T14:25:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/61 "2014-09-13T19:19:14Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Well, the OP specified looking “butch” so obviously those women all have jobs as welders or alligator ranchers or high school shop teachers where looking “butch” is an asset. Right. Silly me. Those lesbos would never have normal girl jobs. Y’know, like secretary or waitress. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/62 "2014-09-13T19:22:15Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Right. Silly me. Those lesbos would never have normal girl jobs. > > Y’know, like secretary or waitress. Of course not. Those are for pretty, non-butch, lesbians. Hang on, we have a pamphlet you can leaf through that explains it all and gives career advice based on your hair style. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/63 "2014-09-13T19:27:48Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Of course not. Those are for pretty, non-butch, lesbians. Hang on, we have a pamphlet you can leaf through that explains it all and gives career advice based on your hair style. That’d be helpful, thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/64 "2014-09-13T19:31:37Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > Its a world full of different tastes & styles; people wear what works for them and date what works for them too. > > That said, imagine that romantic moment: > > The night was perfect, you’ve managed to be together and sleep together the whole night through. The sun is slowly rising, birds are singing, and you want the night to continue into the next day. > > You have slowly awakened the love of your life to a back rub and are well on your way towards thinking today is really going to REALLY start out right. She’s half awake , but more than half interested and looking for more. > You roll a little bit more towards her to get closer only to hear that most romantic of phases: > > Double spoiler’d, for both your pleasure AND hers… > > \*\*"OOOOWWWWWWW!!! > > "OWW! OWW! OWW! > GET THE FUCK OFF MY HAIR!!! > YOU’RE PULLING MY HAIR!!! FUCK…! FUCK…! FUCK…! > > Get the FUCK AWAY from me!!! OWW THAT HURT…!"\*\* > > #InPraiseOfShortHair _snerk_ I have totally had that happen although lighter on the birdsong and sunrise. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/65 "2014-09-13T19:43:46Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > Well, to each their own, but I never saw what the big deal with Halle Berry was until I saw her with long hair, and then I thought, “Wow, yes, she is quite attractive.” > > I’m not a fan of the pixie cut, but ( ::checks forum:: ) that’s just my humble opinion. When I read the OP, my first thought was Halle Berry and her short-short hair, and I think she is gorgeous and about as un-butch as a woman can be IMHO. (And I am a straight woman.) And of course, we women have no obligation to be attractive to men. Women can be elected influential world leaders, [with short hair](https://www.google.com/search?q=angela+merkel&client=firefox-a&hs=FMa&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=E54UVJGtKsqKyAStkYLQAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg). ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/66 "2014-09-13T19:51:11Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > Women can be elected influential world leaders, [with short hair](https://www.google.com/search?q=angela+merkel&client=firefox-a&hs=FMa&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=E54UVJGtKsqKyAStkYLQAg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg). That’s more of a Beatles hairstyle. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/67 "2014-09-13T19:56:15Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Sorry, dudes like attractive women. Hate you burst your bubble. What is attractive is in the eye of the beholder, though. And whether a woman gets a pixie cut because she thinks it’s attractive or because she hates fucking around with hair and beauty stuff or anything else, men who are put off by it (especially if a pixie cut is a deal breaker for whatever reason) are clearly not ideal matches anyway. Though it’s a moot point anyway, since no women with pixie cuts are in relationships, right? ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/68 "2014-09-13T20:38:04Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > That’s more of a Beatles hairstyle. Sitll really short, a bob, if you will. Something I guess our OP also hates because, short. So, what’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/69 "2014-09-13T20:40:13Z")
> [@zweisamkeit](#): > > Though it’s a moot point anyway, since no women with pixie cuts are in relationships, right? Not heterosexual ones, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/70 "2014-09-13T20:51:54Z")
I don’t have a pixie cut, but I can guarandamntee you that I wouldn’t be the slightest bit interested in a man who thought a haircut made a woman ugly, butch and undateable. ---
**Author:** ![vix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a88e4f/32.png) [@vix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vix)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/71 "2014-09-13T21:57:46Z")
> [@etv78](#): > > The person who I picture when picturing BAD pixie: Jennifer Lawrence. I have a cut similar to hers. I went from a slightly longer, more “round” cut – just above the shoulders, with loose curls – to the JLaw: very short in back, longer and straight in front. I have never gotten so many compliments on a haircut in my life, from all sorts of people: men, women, young, old, black, white. You name it, everyone loves it. My “favorite” comment upon cutting my hair: “You used to look old and frumpy, now you look sophisticated.” (I’m 41) ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/72 "2014-09-13T22:08:16Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > That’s more of a Beatles hairstyle. Do you have an actual, intelligent\* point\* to go along with your observation here? Or is this just another clunky, outdated attempt to pretend to be clever while poking fun at women you don’t find hot? ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/73 "2014-09-13T22:25:00Z")
Ok, guys, for those of you who are genuinely baffled, here is the story. Lots of men have a long hair fetish. What I mean by “fetish” is that the long hair itself operates as a kind of symbol that reads to them immediately as “attractive.” Most women do not have that same fetish. For most women, long hair has no special value and does not symbolize sex or anything else. It’s basically just one of many hairstyles, and has no intrinsic value beyond personal preference. A lot of women feel confident and beautiful when their features are emphasized-- after all, that is where we express our emotions and personalities. Short hair tends to highlight features, while long hair tends to hide features and cast shadows on the face. So when women look at themselves and see their eyes lit up, they like the look. For men with a long-hair fetish, the fetish is more important than the features, so they don’t like the look. Likewise, a lot of hair looks bad grown out-- thin, frizzy, greasy, stringy, etc. For a guy with a long-hair fetish, that’s not a dealbreaker because the symbol is still there and that is what is important to them. But for women, they aren’t going to want to grow their hair out if it’s going to look bad. And this is also why these conversations get so heated. Women basically feel like they are being told that their features and their preferences and even how objectively good they look is all secondary to catering to a common fetish. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/74 "2014-09-13T22:31:38Z")
**Sven,** I know you used the qualifier “lots of,” but essentially you just explained “men” to us men. If any of us indulged in the equivalent mansplaining you’d have been first in line to rightly call us on our bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/75 "2014-09-13T22:33:17Z")
…and, meanwhile, us guys who find the pixie cut to be hot as hell are looked at like we are lurching drooling mutants from Mars, as if our existence couldn’t possibly be considered to be anything close to normal or acceptable (or even extant)… ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/76 "2014-09-13T22:47:20Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Ok, guys, for those of you who are genuinely baffled, here is the story. > > Lots of men have a long hair fetish. What I mean by “fetish” is that the long hair itself operates as a kind of symbol that reads to them immediately as “attractive.” > > Most women do not have that same fetish. For most women, long hair has no special value and does not symbolize sex or anything else. It’s basically just one of many hairstyles, and has no intrinsic value beyond personal preference. > > A lot of women feel confident and beautiful when their features are emphasized-- after all, that is where we express our emotions and personalities. Short hair tends to highlight features, while long hair tends to hide features and cast shadows on the face. So when women look at themselves and see their eyes lit up, they like the look. For men with a long-hair fetish, the fetish is more important than the features, so they don’t like the look. Likewise, a lot of hair looks bad grown out-- thin, frizzy, greasy, stringy, etc. For a guy with a long-hair fetish, that’s not a dealbreaker because the symbol is still there and that is what is important to them. But for women, they aren’t going to want to grow their hair out if it’s going to look bad. > > And this is also why these conversations get so heated. Women basically feel like they are being told that their features and their preferences and even how objectively good they look is all secondary to catering to a common fetish. Um, as a woman with longish hair, I have to disagree. I’m not wearing it cast shadows or hide features. I have long, curly hair that looks best long and I love the ringlets. They also give my thinner hair volume, framing my face better. I think you’re giving most men short shrift- the guys I know who like long hair aren’t fetishing (?) it to the point they’d enjoy it even frizzy or greasy. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/77 "2014-09-13T22:53:40Z")
Pixie cuts are smokin’ hot. Just ask [Jean Seberg.](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1421486/thumbs/o-JEAN-SEBERG-570.jpg?5) ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/78 "2014-09-13T22:59:23Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I’ve been trying to convince my wife to get a pixie cut for some time now - I think they’re sexy. She claims her hair is too curly for it to work easily, and I defer to her greater knowledge on the subject. I come from a Jew-fro family. When I was in basic training, I got a really short haircut, and I kinda looked like Adrian Monk. When it was growing out, I had to let it grow out enough for the weight of it to pull the curls out a little, before it stopped looking like a crew cut, so there’s not “in between.” The length that you need for that kind of pixie cut just doesn’t work, because it curls too tightly. Once it grows out enough to move a little, it’s too long for a pixie cut. I guess if I were an actress who needed a pixie cut for a role, I’d get my hair straightened, but I’m not, so that’s too much trouble. For people who aren’t actresses or models, the idea behind a pixie cut is to have hair that isn’t any trouble. A little OT, but I thought someone might be curious about the mechanics of curly hair and shortness. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/79 "2014-09-13T23:08:25Z")
I decided to cut my very curly (not thick enough for a Jew-fro, but as curly) hair weeks before my daughter was born. I looked like a Q-tip. I will never do that again. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389/80 "2014-09-13T23:08:46Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Pixie cuts are smokin’ hot. Just ask [Jean Seberg.](http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1421486/thumbs/o-JEAN-SEBERG-570.jpg?5) Why did you post a picture of a random french dude? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pixie-cuts-on-straight-women-why-god-why/698389.md?page=5)