# Places known for bad reasons **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 27, 2006, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314 "2006-09-27T03:45:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/21 "2006-09-27T11:37:58Z")
Chicago has always been known as Gangland U.S.A. Clark Street, and the garage where the St. Valentine’s Massacre occured, are a particularly gruesome piece of local history. However, you can get one of the greatest pizzas evah at a joint right across the street from the site (Chicago Pizza & Oven Grinder). We also have John Gacy. 'nuf said. ---
**Author:** ![crazyjoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f14d63/32.png) [@crazyjoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crazyjoe)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/22 "2006-09-27T12:39:47Z")
[QUOTE=Baffle] [Hell](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell%2C_Michigan) is a pretty nice place, truth be told. [/QUOTE] I ran thru Hell. I have the T-Shirt. So does my wife. Let me tell you, it is not your typical 4.8 or 10 mile run… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/23 "2006-09-27T12:45:39Z")
Columbine, Colorado. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/24 "2006-09-27T12:49:19Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] Anyway, I saw a number of historical markers related to [Brown v. Board of Education](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board). Now, OK, yes, it was a historical decision in this nation, and a good one. But does Topeka really want to make a tourist attraction of being a place where the city had to be sued to allow black children to attend their neighborhood school? Apparently so. Well, at least I didn’t see any signs pointing me to Westboro. It started me thinking, though. There must be many places associated with historical event(s) of mixed meanings. Cities that now declare proudly that they did something sort of bad, out of which came something good. [/QUOTE] The people who placed those markers would probably disagree with you about it being a shameful place. To them those markers are memorials to a victory of equality over racism. But when I lived in Greensboro NC, I was taught about the Woolworths lunch counter downtown. This is where one of the first (if not THE first) “Sit-in” occurred in the the equal rights movement. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/25 "2006-09-27T12:54:17Z")
**Gatopescado** writes: > [@](#): > > Johnstown Flood, Gunfight at the OK Corral, Mt. Meadows Massacre, Mt. St. Helens, Waco, Chalome, **Salt Lake City** , Jonestown, Leavenworth to name a couple off the top of my head. ??? 1.) Salt Lake City would’ve been known all on its own – there’s plenty of history there (plus it’s the only really big city for 8 hours car travel in any direction) 2.) Exactly what bad thing that happened there were you thinking of? The only thing I can even remotely think of is Joe Hill’s trial, which I’ll bet most people don’t even know about. (things like the Hoffman bombings were so local, I’ll bet they’re off the radar altogether) 3.) Lately, most people probably think of SLC as where the winter olympics were. ---
**Author:** ![FormerMarineGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/65b543/32.png) [@FormerMarineGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FormerMarineGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/26 "2006-09-27T12:56:26Z")
I am surprised nobody mentioned New York (9-11). Camden, New Jersey (my hometown, super high crime rating). New Orleans, it used to be known just for Mardi Gras, but is now infamous for what some see as lack of government reaction in helping the poor/Katrina. Almost every place that was a death camp during WW2. Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Abu Ghraib. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/27 "2006-09-27T12:56:51Z")
I used to walk by the St Valentine’s day Massacre site often. The “Everybody know about it, there’s nothing there now” factor was pretty big there and elsewhere in Chicago: The site of the Murder Castle was an ordinary urban street. The alley where John Dillinger was shot while running in an “infantryman’s-crouch” so as to make a smaller target (the bullet entered by his kindney, rattled around and popped out his eye) had no marker when I lived there (1990), but its Mexican-restaurant side across from the Biograph Theater was painted a garish canary yellow. (I took a piss there out of revenge for my grandmother, who, carrying my dad in vitro, had to run for cover when Dillinger’s gang shot up Mason City Iowa’s downtown). Something that, of course, wouldn’t have a plaque; namely the import-export store on Clark & Belmont where Tokyo Rose worked had a “yea, she’s in there, so what?” non-mystique. I really got the impression that Chicago’s attitude was about getting on with things and, although such events were bound to occur, it was kind of stupid to make much of it. Anybody who took too much interest was just a sucker for the hucksters who made money off suburbanite tourists. And the worst sin a Chicagoan can commit is to be is a sucker. Los Angeles, which has always had such a cultural inferiority complex that that itself is an ingrained part of its culture, is much better at this sort of awareness. Once while on the bum, I camped out in Ed Gein’s town in Wisconsin. It was a beautiful place: surrounded by little toadstool-hills that had been pushed up by pockets of melting subterranean ice, on a wide, sandy river beach. Even if Ed hadn’t once dug up ladies like dog bones there, I’d always remember the place. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/28 "2006-09-27T13:12:03Z")
[QUOTE=Argent Towers] I don’t think I’ve ever heard Gary, Indiana brought up in a conversation without a mention of its slums, high crime rate, or Michael Jackson. [/QUOTE] What? Not the Gary Indiana Conservatory of Music, Class of 1908? > [@humming](#): > > There is just one place > That can light my face. > Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana, > Not Louisiana, Paris, France, New York, or Rome, but– > Gary, Indiana, > Gary, Indiana, > Gary Indiana, > My home sweet home If anyone knows about Pestigo Wisconsin, it’s for a very horrible event. Even worse: few know about it. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/29 "2006-09-27T13:20:36Z")
I think I win the thread: Sarasota, Florida: – Home of “Pee Wee’s Playhouse” – since demolished. – One of those kidnap/murders – Those Ray brothers with AIDS back in the 80s – And the worst-- U.S. Representative Catherine Harris’s district. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/30 "2006-09-27T13:35:34Z")
Another one from the UK: Aberfan, Wales. (A huge slag heap from a mine collapsed in heavy rains and engulfed the village, in particular the primary school, killing every child in the village.) ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/31 "2006-09-27T14:19:29Z")
[QUOTE=Baffle] Hell is a pretty nice place, truth be told. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=crazyjoe] I ran thru Hell. I have the T-Shirt. So does my wife. Let me tell you, it is not your typical 4.8 or 10 mile run… 🙂 [/QUOTE] I once went there in a handbasket. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/32 "2006-09-27T14:21:43Z")
That Aberfan example is a good one, it surprises me that although 144 people were killed, the vast majority of children attedning the school that was engulfed, I wonder why the Universal pit disaster at Senghenydd is not much more widely known, since it killed more people. > **[Senghenydd colliery disaster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senghenydd_Colliery_Disaster)** > > The Senghenydd colliery disaster, also known as the Senghenydd explosion (Welsh: Tanchwa Senghennydd), occurred at the Universal Colliery in Senghenydd, near Caerphilly, Glamorgan, Wales, on 14 October 1913. The explosion, which killed 439 miners and a rescuer, is the worst mining accident in the United Kingdom. Universal Colliery, on the South Wales Coalfield, extracted steam coal, which was much in demand. Some of the region's coal seams contained high quantities of firedamp, a highly explo... ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/33 "2006-09-27T14:23:08Z")
Palatine. Brown’s Chicken. Who would have EVER thought that this town would be “news”. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Webner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/0ea827/32.png) [@Webner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Webner)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/34 "2006-09-27T14:26:14Z")
Cleveland, Ohio is well known as the poorest big city in America. ---
**Author:** ![AndLuna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dbc845/32.png) [@AndLuna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndLuna)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/35 "2006-09-27T14:35:00Z")
Another from the UK: I was born in Hyde, which, if it’s known for anything at all (it’s still pretty obscure, I guess), it’s for having [three serial killers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde%2C_Greater_Manchester#Shipman) living there at various times. Both the Moors murderers, and Dr. Harold Shipman. It’s not exactly, uh, treated as a tourist attraction, though. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/36 "2006-09-27T15:02:48Z")
East St. Louis & East Palo Alto (crime) ---
**Author:** ![Slypork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@Slypork](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slypork)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/37 "2006-09-27T15:41:30Z")
How can you mention Chicago and forget about the fuss created by a cow? Other towns that remind us of infamous events: Love Canal, NY (dioxin dumped by, appropriately enough, Hooker Chemicals) Harrisburg, PA (Three Mile Island) New Madrid, MO (major earthquakes) Nuremburg (war crime trials) Hiroshima and Nagasaki (‘nuff said) ---
**Author:** ![Mouse\_Maven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@Mouse\_Maven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mouse_Maven)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/38 "2006-09-27T15:50:51Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Columbine, Colorado. [/QUOTE] A nitpick here. The shootings were at Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. How about [Granby, CO](http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Central/06/05/bulldozer.rampage/) ? ---
**Author:** ![TheLoadedDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/39 "2006-09-27T16:06:00Z")
[QUOTE=kambuckta] Port Arthur in Tasmania had been a known tourist destination for many years with the ruins of an old penal colony established back when Tassie was still called Van Diemen’s Land. It’s housed on a beautiful peninsula and the ghosts of prisoners past still seem to haunt the decrepit buildings. Unfortunately, Port Arthur came into international fame when a lone gunman went troppo [one sunny Sunday afternoonin 1996](http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial/bryant/) and decided to kill some folks. After his spree, thirty-five people lay dead, with many more injured. Now when Port Arthur is mentioned, it’s rarely for its historical value or for its local beauty…it’s become associated with the most terrible massacre that ever had the misfortune to occur in Australia. [/QUOTE] That’s true, although a Taswegian friend of mine said that whenever he visited Port Athur _prior_ to 1996, he still got a heavy dose of the heebie-jeebies. The things that happened to the convicts there in the 19th century weren’t much removed from the atrocities of Bryant, in terms of severity. Apparently, in the modern era, it’s always been a dark kinda place. ---
**Author:** ![dwc1970](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a183cd/32.png) [@dwc1970](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dwc1970)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/places-known-for-bad-reasons/374314/40 "2006-09-27T16:41:02Z")
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