# Plagiarism expert catches Coulter **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 3, 2006, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022 "2006-07-03T05:03:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/41 "2006-07-04T06:44:52Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > Cherry-picking? … You wanna know how I assembled that list? I took down the names of each poster who had contributed to the thread before your post. If that’s cherry-picking, I’d sure love someone pointing me to a dictionary showing the change the term has undergone since I last checked. > > (Not even gonna dignify the rest of that.) Ok. Wrong term. And DUH! It was fucking obvious you went down the damn list! As if every one who posted in that thread is the DEFINITIVE list of Ann Coulter bashers on the Straight Dope. Again… _strawman_! Is everyone who didn’t call Miss Bitch MY EXACT WORDS ( fuckwad.) PROOF that I am picking on **Bricker**??? MY rant was (mis)directed at him. Why don’t YOU fuck off? He can defend himself just fine thankyouverydamnmuchandfuckoff. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/42 "2006-07-04T07:40:34Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > Cherry-picking? … You wanna know how I assembled that list? I took down the names of each poster who had contributed to the thread before your post. If that’s cherry-picking, I’d sure love someone pointing me to a dictionary showing the change the term has undergone since I last checked. > > (Not even gonna dignify the rest of that.) Well, you were cherry-picking the quotation. Who on your list was defending her constitutionally protected rights? ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/43 "2006-07-04T07:51:47Z")
> [@iampunha](#): > > By that measure, your scorn is hereby also conferred on: > > Waenara > Rhubarb > Voyager > Oakminster > Pullet > Slithy Tove > astorian > EddyTeddyFreddy > drachillix > Marley23 > Squink > Larry Borgia > Otto > WhyNot > Malacandra > ddgryphon > Squink > you with the face > Wendell Wagner Yay! I got named in a list of Dopers! Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing… 😕😃 Do we get pie? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/44 "2006-07-04T07:54:01Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yay! I got named in a list of Dopers! Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing… 😕😃 > > Do we get pie? Das right. Cherry pie. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/45 "2006-07-04T07:59:04Z")
Yay for pie! (Chair boogie ensues) ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/46 "2006-07-04T09:24:28Z")
Cherry pie is fine in its place. In my completely original and unplagiarised opinion, that is just after a piece of chocolate cake, an ice-cream cone, a pickle, a slice of Swiss cheese, a slice of salami, and a lollipop; and just before a sausage, a cupcake and a slice of watermelon. Mercifully I find myself in no need of an opinion about Ann Coulter ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/47 "2006-07-04T11:39:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I would sure like to see the offending passages and their counterparts myself before reaching a judgement here. > > The article doesn’t quote any specifics – it says, for example, > > But it doesn’t give us the passage, or the specific Planned Parenthood literature in question. How am I supposed to verify this? No, Rick. My apologies, but it will not fly. And remember, I will defend the right of anybody to say _anything_. This … _entity_ … is on record in her book entitled _Treason_ as saying: “All liberals and Democrats are guilty of actions tantamount to treason.” (Close paraphrase; they didn’t have a copy of _Treason_ in the 10c bin at the rummage sale, and I would pay no more than that for it.) Now, until and unless she produces clearcut proof, the sort that will stand up in a court of law under serious efforts to impugn it, that I and other Democrats and liberals have committed the constitutional definition of treason, she is a slanderous, libelous bitch who does not deserve your good offices. I _will_ stand up for the right of a KKK member, a NAMBLA member, even Fred Phelps, to exercise their rights to freedom of speech, no matter how repulsive the content. With that accusation, though, la Coulter has just crossed the line for me. (Her laudation of Tail Gunner Joe is either complete insanity or an effort to sell all the traffic will buy, too, but at least it’s redeemed for me by leading me to discover America’s most unlikely hero, Joseph Walsh.) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/48 "2006-07-04T12:47:35Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > I would but only to go to the national enquirer with “Coulter to have love child by liberal athiest” story… > > That would have to be worth millions… [She dates Bill Maher.](http://www.nndb.com/people/474/000022408/) Could happen. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/49 "2006-07-04T14:25:03Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > No, Rick. My apologies, but it will not fly. And remember, I will defend the right of anybody to say _anything_. Um… **Polycarp** , I’m just talking about the accusation of plagiarism here. My post was not intended to be a general defense of her, merely a request for details on her supposed plagiarism. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/50 "2006-07-04T14:33:50Z")
> [@Waenara](#): > > At this site it states that Coulter claims she made a list of diseases that have been treated with adult stem cells, but failed to attribute the list to an article by Planned Parenthood Plaigarism and concealment of the other side’s honesty all in one sentence. How very efficient of her. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/51 "2006-07-04T14:56:58Z")
Nasty old bitch? Super genius? I’m never sure about Coulter. She reminds me a little bit of Andy kauffman these days. I’m not really sure who the joke is on. Take her at face value and she’s just a bitch. More though is revealed by those that support her and those that seek to bring her down, than about her. I am pretty sure that she is over the top to bring out the froth-at-the-mouth detractors who will stoop to just about any level to get her. I got to beleive these accusations of plagiarism, as spurious as they are, play right into her hands. Liberals aren’t all she says, but she sure does make a few of them act that way. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/52 "2006-07-04T15:09:19Z")
> [@Steve MB](#): > > Plaigarism and concealment of the other side’s honesty all in one sentence. How very efficient of her. If it’s true. Unfortunately, we are not given the specific Planned Parenthood cite to check. So how can we tell if it’s true? ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/53 "2006-07-04T15:37:18Z")
The accusations against Ben Domemneoncish or whatever played out. And frankly, it certainly fits her writing style: she just grabs a bunch of glurge, plops it into a word processor, and changes a few words here and there. It certainly seems perfectly plausible. Heck, she basically parades the idea that William Dembski ghost-wrote her excreble section on evolution. But of course, pointing out that someone is a plagarist is, apparently, “stooping to a level” to get her. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/54 "2006-07-04T16:19:33Z")
> [@if6was9](#): > > Is everyone who didn’t call Miss Bitch MY EXACT WORDS ( fuckwad.) PROOF that I am picking on **Bricker**??? MY rant was (mis)directed at him. Why don’t YOU fuck off? He can defend himself just fine thankyouverydamnmuchandfuckoff. I am well aware of his ability to defend himself. I was aware of this ability of his before you came to us. I am also aware of your embarrasment at being caught with your pants down. I don’t fuck off because I have your bright, cheery self to entertain. > [@Contrapunctal](#): > > Well, you were cherry-picking the quotation. Who on your list was defending her constitutionally protected rights? Who on my list needed to be? Who in this thread is (or has been) seriously saying she should be censored? I responded to the parts of if6was9’s post that had any bearing on this thread. Given that if6was9 has since removed himself from his irrelevant comments, this seems more’n slightly appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/55 "2006-07-04T16:27:49Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I’m never sure about Coulter. She reminds me a little bit of Andy kauffman these days. I’m not really sure who the joke is on. Right. It’s like there’s some sort of existential performance art piece, and a whole lot of us, more than anything, are pissed off that we’re being denied the privilege of even the slightest hint of a " 😉 " ; deep down, too many of us resent the possibility we may be getting “punk’d”. Part of the issue as I see it is that she is, no, HAS to be, really, fearless about taking the risk that (to continue the stand-up allegory) she may cross over from Andy Kauffman “waitaminnit, what’s the \*&^% joke?" territory to the Andrew Dice Clay "we don't care if it's a joke, that was \*&^%# rude” category. (And IMNSHO she has.) Now, of course, while Andy stayed within the sphere of entertainment, Ann runs loose in the yard of political commentary, where at some point in the past there seems to have been developed an unwritten consensus that (A) any future work along the line of _“A Modest Proposal”_ be heavily smiley-punctuated, and (B) even the most partisan commentator should make at least a token gesture of taking an ocassional shot at _their own side_. But those are just that – complacent conventions that developed among the media and public; for someone like Coulter, it makes for fertile soil in which to sow disruption of those expectations and till publicity. Even this will work for her in this sense: being accused of pulling a small-scale Opal Mehta will just give her openings for replyingg that everyone in her field is continuously quoting and referencing w/o having to add a bibliography to every column, and for questioning how come she was the one “targeted”. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/56 "2006-07-04T17:04:36Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Part of the issue as I see it is that she is, no, HAS to be, really, fearless about taking the risk . . . I would say “shameless”, but that’s just me. While she is still not half as bad as Phred Phelps, Ann kind of reminds me of him, because neither of them seems to give a flying fuck about what decent society thinks of them or their antics. Voter fraud? Who cares? Defending **The Bell Curve**? Hey, if it sells books. Sucking up to Joe McCarthy? No problem. At first, I wanted to understand why. I mean, I know _why_ she does it. She wants to capture Angry America. I mean, I wanted to understand _why_ she wanted to capture Angry America. Have you _seen_ Angry America? I grew up around Angry America, and it wasn’t pretty back then. I can only imagine it getting worse now. Could it have been for the money? There are easier ways for an intelligent lawyer in Washington to make money, especially if she could conceivably be attractive if she would just make the effort. Also, she wouldn’t be hated by decent society. I think **JRDelirious** nailed it for me when he compared her to Andy Kaufman. There is no “why”. She does it because she likes the attention, and because she’s a bit of a nutcase. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/57 "2006-07-04T17:11:08Z")
Well, as others have suggested, Coulter’s raving idiocy completely discredited her in my eyes long before now. In fact, stealing other people’s text might actually improve her work. Still if the accusations turn out to be true, it certainly wouldn’t make her the Lone Ranger. [Stephen Ambrose](http://hnn.us/articles/504.html) [Brian Van De Mark](http://hnn.us/articles/1477.html) [Doris Kearns Goodwin](http://hnn.us/articles/590.html) [Louis W. Roberts](http://chronicle.com/free/2002/02/2002022103n.htm) [Roger Shepherd](http://www.skidmore.edu/~rscarce/Writing_Tips/Art_Professor's_Plagiarism.html) [Laurence Tribe](http://www.hlrecord.org/media/storage/paper609/news/2004/10/07/News/Dean-Of.Mass.Law.School.Central.Figure.In.Discovery.Of.Tribe.Plagiarism-748270.shtml?norewrite200607041305&sourcedomain=www.hlrecord.org) [Charles Ogletree](http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=503341) ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/58 "2006-07-04T17:15:26Z")
> [@Linty Fresh](#): > > There are easier ways for an intelligent lawyer in Washington to make money, especially if she could conceivably be attractive if she would just make the effort. Also, she wouldn’t be hated by decent society. Yes, but she likely wouldn’t be famous. ---
**Author:** ![Linty\_Fresh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Linty\_Fresh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linty_Fresh)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/59 "2006-07-04T17:19:26Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Yes, but she likely wouldn’t be famous. Like I said, she does it because she likes the attention. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2006, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022/60 "2006-07-04T19:19:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If it’s true. > > Unfortunately, we are not given the specific Planned Parenthood cite to check. So how can we tell if it’s true? From my post #18 in this thread, [this article](http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/For_new_book_Coulter_cribs_adult_0613.html) details the (possibly) plaigiarized list: > [@](#): > > But fifteen of Coulter’s examples are nearly identical to a longer list of seventeen compiled by the Illinois Right To Life website, which has been available since at least September of 2003 ([current link](http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/stemcellsummary.htm)) ([archived 9/03 link](http://web.archive.org/web/20030917043912/http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/stemcellsummary.htm)) > [@](#): > > Following are the fifteen items from Coulter’s list side-by-side with those that appear at the Illinois Right To Life Committee’s website: > > Illinois Right To Life: Spinal cord injury repair (using stem cells from nasal and sinus regions) > > Coulter: Repairing spinal cord injuries by using stem cells from nasal and sinus regions. > > Illinois Right To Life: Complete reversal of juvenile diabetes in mice using adult spleen cells > > Coulter: Completely reversing Type 1 diabetes in mice using adult spleen cells > > Illinois Right To Life: Crohn’s Disease put into remission (using patient’s blood stem cells) > > Coulter: Putting Crohn’s disease into remission with the patient’s own blood stem cells > > Illinois Right To Life: Lupus put into remission (using stem cells from patient’s bloodstream) > > Coulter: Putting lupus into remission using stem cells from the patient’s bloodstream > > Illinois Right To Life: Repair heart muscle in cases of congestive heart failure (using stem cells from bone marrow) > > Coulter: Repairing the heart muscles in patients with congestive heart failure using adult stem cells from bone marrow. > > Illinois Right To Life: Repair heart attack damage (using the patient’s own blood stem cells) > > Coulter: Repairing heart attack damage with the patient’s own blood stem cells > > Illinois Right To Life: Restore bone marrow in cancer patients (using stem cells from umbilical cord blood) > > Coulter: Restoring bone marrow in cancer patients using stem cells from umbilical cord blood. > > Illinois Right To Life: Restore weak heart muscles (using immature skeletal muscle cells) > > Coulter: Restoring weak heart muscles using immature skeletal muscle cells > > Illinois Right To Life: Put leukemia into remission (using umbilical cord blood) > > Coulter: Putting leukemia into remission using umbilical cord blood > > Illinois Right To Life: Heal bone fractures (using bone marrow cells) > > Coulter: Healing bone fractures with bone marrow cells. > > Illinois Right To Life: Restore a blind man’s sight (using an ocular surface stem-cell transplant & a cornea transplant) > > Coulter: Restoring sight in blind people using an ocular surface stem-cell transplant and a cornea transplant > > Illinois Right To Life: Treat urinary incontinence (using under arm muscle stem cells) > > Coulter: Treating urinary incontinence using stem cells from underarm muscle > > Illinois Right To Life: Reverse severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID) (using genetically modified adult stem cells) > > Coulter: Reversing severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID) with genetically modified adult cells. > > Illinois Right To Life: Restore blood circulation in legs (using bone marrow stem cells) > > Coulter: Restoring blood circulation in legs with bone marrow stem cells. > > Illinois Right To Life: Treat sickle-cell anemia (using stem cells from unbilical cord blood) > > Coulter: Treating sickle-cell anemia using stem cells from umbilical cord blood. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plagiarism-expert-catches-coulter/363022.md?page=4)