# Plaintiff in Roe v. Wade, says she was paid by right-wing groups to publicly turn against abortion **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 20, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157 "2020-05-20T00:31:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/21 "2020-05-20T17:57:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Why does it even matter? Why should this one individual’s views on abortion be held as any more significant than any of the other 300 million individuals in this country? > [@Munch](#): > > I have the same reaction. And it’s the same reaction I had whenever previously confronted with the fact that “the original Jane Roe says now that she’d never have an abortion”. So what? It’s not like she was the only potential plaintiff they could have found at the time. It’s the optics, not the substance, and you know it. Her case is the one that set the precedent, so if she changes her mind on it, that makes it news. Substantively, either change of mind doesn’t change whether _Roe v Wade_ was decided correctly, but the first flip could possibly be used to change the minds of people who waver on the topic. The anti-abortion movement certainly tried to use it that way. And, of course, we are now facing a packed right-wing Supreme Court with a lot of states that were hoping to use that change of heart as one more mote of evidence to get the decision reversed on a new case. At least they can’t do that now. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/22 "2020-05-20T18:11:04Z")
So what if she changed her mind? Wasn’t the point that she was free to choose for herself? ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/23 "2020-05-20T18:11:22Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > If the documentary has, um, solid documentation of improper payments (i.e. money received prior to her “conversion”), then it’s a damning commentary on the ethics of anti-abortion rights advocates. Actually, not really. Its just another chit added to the giant pile of evidence on the lack of ethics of the anti-abortion rights advocates. Which goes from from harassing and lying to women when they are at their most vulnerable, forcing doctors to lie on their behalf, endangering women’s lives all the way up to outright murder. Nothing here that we didn’t already know. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/24 "2020-05-20T18:47:12Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s a variant. > > Thanks heavens for Bertie Wooster, to whom I owe my classical education. 😛 For a long time, I took your name to be Forgetful Porcupine. Which could be painful. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/25 "2020-05-20T19:20:05Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Why does it even matter? Why should this one individual’s views on abortion be held as any more significant than any of the other 300 million individuals in this country? Her views dont matter that much. The fact that GOP operatives bribed her to publically change her views -\* that matters. Li\*ke the fact that they also bribed a woman to claim Dr Fauci raped her. In other words, the Religious Right and GOP are bribing people to lie. This election is gonna be super dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/26 "2020-05-20T19:27:22Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/27 "2020-05-20T20:22:46Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > For a long time, I took your name to be Forgetful Porcupine. > > Which could be painful. Now that I have attained absent-minded professor status, it’s pretty much accurate 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/28 "2020-05-20T20:45:39Z")
Yes, I know that her opinion changes the optics of the issue. And I know that, in the real world, optics like that does matter. But my point is that it _shouldn’t_. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/29 "2020-05-20T21:22:14Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s a variant. > > Thanks heavens for Bertie Wooster, to whom I owe my classical education. 😛 Jeeves quoted (some of) these lines to Bertie in the book _Joy in the Morning_. I just read it last week! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/30 "2020-05-21T18:29:14Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yes, I know that her opinion changes the optics of the issue. And I know that, in the real world, optics like that does matter. But my point is that it _shouldn’t_. As **DrDeth** pointed up a few posts up, the real news is the religious right paying off someone to push their narrative. And yeah, we all wish for a world where the “optics” don’t matter. But that seems a fantasy land these days. As long as the optics matter then we need to deal with it…maddening as it is. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/31 "2020-05-21T19:51:18Z")
Especially given that people who think that abortion is wrong tend to believe in a book that says that liars get sent to hell. It’s more evidence to me that a lot of “Christians” worship their own created “pro-life” idol rather than follow their own stated beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/32 "2020-05-21T22:28:52Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Jeeves quoted (some of) these lines to Bertie in the book _Joy in the Morning_. I just read it last week! _Joy in the Morning_ is one of the best Jeeves & Bertie books of all, in my opinion. Excerpt Bertie should have gone with the alternative title and called it _The Steeple Bumpleigh Horror_. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2020, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157/33 "2020-05-25T08:16:40Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So what if she changed her mind? Wasn’t the point that she was free to choose for herself? It wasn’t just that she changed her own mind. (If she really did). And yes, she was free to choose, but she was a shill for people who were trying to prevent other women from having that freedom. THAT is why people are criticizing her. Either way, she’s a weasel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plaintiff-in-roe-v-wade-says-she-was-paid-by-right-wing-groups-to-publicly-turn-against-abortion/854157.md?page=1)