# Plame Court Action Denied **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 20, 2007, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497 "2007-07-20T05:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/41 "2007-07-21T04:36:13Z")
Iraq sought significant of ammount of uranium from Niger. That’s pretty close to a fact. They were shopping, they had high ranking people there. That is verifiable. We had Joe Wilson there, and he almost certainly knew about it. Once again that has to be close to fact. Your references siad the same thing, and so did mine. Not to mince words here, but all the arguments seem to agree that Iraq went shopping. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/42 "2007-07-21T04:36:47Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] I provided many sources on the one of the Scooter discussions that were disregarded out of hand stating that Joe Wilson had a political political motivations in retaliation before this retaliation. [/quote] Yes, well, that’s because, based on his [personal history,](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Wilson) the idea that Wilson might have had a personal hard-on for the Republican Party or the Bush Admin is really not very plausible. [QUOTE=bob\_co] I’m just glad that no more tax money is being spent on this one. [/QUOTE] Don’t count your chickens. A lot more tax money **will** be spent on this matter before it is done – and even more on the Iraq War itself. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/43 "2007-07-21T04:38:42Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Iraq sought significant of ammount of uranium from Niger. [/QUOTE] Cite? And I mean a cite that they **bought,** not that they **sought.** ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/44 "2007-07-21T04:57:28Z")
Sought. Went shopping. That was the Bush quote with out the “British intelligence said” in front. Fact. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/45 "2007-07-21T04:58:57Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] OK GIGO, it’s the very same rat hole to chase down. My sources are better than yours – no they are not. The very same point is valid here that I was trying to make before. [/quote] That is not what I see, my basic point is that you are swallowing hook line an sinker the spin of the Republicans, from a fellow that protests or mentions Republicans are supposed to be held in contempt too, you are always relying on their news as the gospel. The second problem is that you are still then repeating information that was debunked and false, bad enough that your information is coming from biased cites, worst that you claim you don’t trust any side, worseX10 when they do not have the facts with them: see the next item. > [@bob\_co](#): > > This discussion is if the party wars should be able to bite into our wallets. From the legal folk above, it looks like the people involved in the case are immune while you are I are not immune from paying Plame her damages. Rodney King style. I wish I had the number for what every person in LA paid to that guy for getting beat up. > > Retaliations for retaliations for retaliation with the taxpayer paying for it. > > Should the Governemt of the US sue Joe Wilson for incompetence? He was there, it was his job, and he failed willingly or not. Maybe we should sue Plame for nepotism for getting her hubby the job that they thought was a non-job. [http://mediamatters.org/items/200510280009](http://mediamatters.org/items/200510280009) > [@](#): > > On CNN’s October 28 breaking-news coverage of the indictment of vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby on charges related to the investigation of the leak of the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame, CNN national security correspondent David Ensor challenged the suggestion that Plame “suggested her husband [former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV] be sent to Niger” to investigate a possible deal to sell uranium to Iraq. Ensor reported that he had “talked to very high intelligence officials who say that just isn’t true.” Ensor then reported that the “very high intelligence officials” said that “it was senior officers above her [Plame] who had the idea of sending Ambassador Wilson” based on his past experience in Niger and as an ambassador elsewhere in Africa. Ensor noted that, according to his sources, Plame subsequently responded positively to the suggestion in an e-mail "to higher-ups at the CIA who suggested that Joe Wilson be sent. > [@bob\_co](#): > > Maybe the country of Iraq could sue Plame for the whole war that might have not happened if the intelligence in Niger was believable because there was an compitent source present. Glad you mention Iraq, it is now costing more than a half a trillion dollars of our money, Bush and company did that to Plame to silence descent in that regard. And their efforts continue to make sure our money goes into the Iraq sinkhole. And you are sounding silly when you mention once again the lie that Plame made Wilson go. When you stand up to minimize what did happen here, you are minimizing that it is not Plame who Iraq should sue. And what was the failure of Wilson again? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/46 "2007-07-21T04:59:42Z")
Drivel. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/47 "2007-07-21T05:09:08Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Sought. Went shopping. That was the Bush quote with out the “British intelligence said” in front. Fact. [/QUOTE] [http://mediamatters.org/items/200510190001#20070208](http://mediamatters.org/items/200510190001#20070208) > [@](#): > > The British government apparently reached a similar conclusion in a September 24, 2002, dossier detailing Iraq’s alleged weapons of mass destruction programs. The dossier stated, “As a result of the intelligence we judge that Iraq has … sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa, despite having no active civil nuclear power programme that could require it.” > > **However, a separate section of the October 2002 NIE noted INR’s alternative assessment that “the claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa” were "highly dubious.**" > [@](#): > > On Special Report, Kondracke also claimed – falsely – that Wilson’s report on his findings “was never accepted by anybody.” As Media Matters for America has noted, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence concluded in a 2004 report that the CIA interpreted Wilson’s Niger findings as confirmation of its assessment at that time that Saddam had sought uranium in Africa. However, the committee also concluded that the INR interpreted Wilson’s report as confirmation of its competing “assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.” In addition, the committee concluded that, based on the intelligence available at the time, INR was correct in its assessment that there was not a “compelling case” that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program: > > After reviewing all the intelligence provided by the Intelligence Community and additional information requested by the Committee, the Committee believes that the judgment in the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program, was not supported by the intelligence. The Committee agrees with the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) alternative view that the available intelligence “does not add up to a compelling case for reconstitution.” ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/48 "2007-07-21T05:09:25Z")
mediamatters? A Sorros organization? It seems that your sources are tainted. I stayed mainstream this time and you pull out the reactionary cite. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/49 "2007-07-21T05:12:39Z")
What is next? The official Iraq press releases of the day? Iraqi Minister of defense reports support your case, don’t they? ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/50 "2007-07-21T05:16:17Z")
Oops. I meant the Minister of Information. He’s on your side. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/51 "2007-07-21T05:20:06Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] mediamatters? A Sorros organization? It seems that your sources are tainted. I stayed mainstream this time and you pull out the reactionary cite. [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: Did you bother to check what they are citing? And let me guess: where did you get the idea that it is a Soros outfit? You will need a cite for that or we just conclude that your assertions that you have conservative sources in contempt are also a smoke screen. It has been O’Reilly and other blow hards at Fox who came with the “Media Matters as a Soros outfit” canard so, thanks for proving my point. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/52 "2007-07-21T05:32:03Z")
Yeah, but Soros spelled backwards is…Soros! Didn’t think of that, did you, Baghdad Bob! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/53 "2007-07-21T05:32:37Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] What is next? The official Iraq press releases of the day? Iraqi Minister of defense reports support your case, don’t they? [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: So CNN, the Washington Post, congressional reports are coming from Iraq? Well, since it was reported the Bush Administration approved the planting of false news in Iraq for propaganda purposes I guess it would not be surprising. (Guess who is paying for that too?) Incidentally this last insulting tirade of yours is demonstrated to sound silly after you did say “your sources are tainted” I only need to point out that I used also Slate to contradict Hitchens. So tell me: Is Slate tainted or not? (think very carefully before you answer) ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/54 "2007-07-21T05:40:45Z")
In an attempt to not get too far off the subject or in the BBQ… Should government officials be immune to lawsuits that interfere with thier jobs? Should most the libs be put in jail for spreading propaganda that poeple who have declared war on us want them to? [http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070719/D8QFUN500.html](http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070719/D8QFUN500.html) ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/55 "2007-07-21T05:51:41Z")
Think carefully. In a couple of years it will be your turn in the barrell. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/56 "2007-07-21T05:55:09Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Think carefully. In a couple of years it will be your turn in the barrell. [/QUOTE] Ah yes, translation: “I can not reply to what you posted.” And the other post has nothing to do with the OP. > [@](#): > > Edelman is the Undersecretary of defense for policy. He is also a former U.S. ambassador and one-time aide to Vice President Dick Cheney. During the 2004 campaign, Cheney told Iowa voters that electing the Democratic ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards would risk another terrorist attack. > > Kerry jumped to Clinton’s defense, deriding what he called smear tactics by the administration. > > “They will say anything, do anything, and twist any truth to avoid accountability,” said the Massachusetts senator. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/57 "2007-07-21T06:05:11Z")
[QUOTE=bob\_co] Think carefully. In a couple of years it will be your turn in the barrell. [/QUOTE] And don’t you even think that I missed what are you referring here. You really need to take it to the pit if you continue. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_co](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@bob\_co](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_co)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/58 "2007-07-21T06:12:15Z")
Sooo … Start a topic on bedwetting. Do we have the right in this country to aide the opposing side in a war? Apparently so. Jane Fonda and Kerry did it. The one and only original function of the federal government was war. The rest has been added to the continous bloat of government’s rights that the people used to have. Does Kerry and Karl Rove go to jail, or do you fuel the government engine? I say jail, you say to add another patch, reguation or social experimentation. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/59 "2007-07-21T06:13:49Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Hitchens isn’t a cite. Hitchens is a sot. [/QUOTE] Nevertheless, Hitchens is more of a cite than “a very knowledgable emailer” is in this thread, which you defended in post # 92: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8772191&postcount=9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8772191&postcount=9) Why is that? Because you agree with “emailer”, but not Hitchens? At least you’re consistent in your bias. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2007, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497/60 "2007-07-21T06:15:23Z")
[QUOTE=Carol Stream] Nevertheless, Hitchens is more of a cite than “a very knowledgable emailer” is in this thread, which you defended in post # 92: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8772191&postcount=9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8772191&postcount=9) Why is that? Because you agree with “emailer”, but not Hitchens? At least you’re consistent in your bias. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Feh, that cite was taken care by the same “tainted” source. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plame-court-action-denied/412497.md?page=4)