# Plane crash at San Francisco International **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 6, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806 "2013-07-06T19:14:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/181 "2013-07-12T19:07:25Z")
> [@JCFindley](#): > > There is a logic behind waiting to order an evacuation in general but in this instance it is but another failure in the pilot’s judgement. Roger that. [This news reporter said:](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKkWVlW3JYQ) > [@](#): > > “It took just seconds from the time Asiana 214 crash landed until it burst into flames.” Not the best time to tell everyone to sit tight while we assess the situation. It _might_ be dangerous outside, but it’s _sure death inside._ > [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > An animation of [Asiana 214’s crash sequence,](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JhoAfgYhhs0) likely based on eyewitness videos we’ve all been seeing in the news. > > The blue “ghost” plane is, I guess, what a standard 3-degree descent profile and touchdown would have looked like. Yes, but I find it interesting that the ghost plane had to be slowed down from the ideal speed to be compared to the Asiana flight. If not, it would have been much farther (and safely) down the runway, out of view. ---
**Author:** ![JCFindley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b38774/32.png) [@JCFindley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCFindley)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/182 "2013-07-12T19:25:45Z")
> [@Musicat](#): > > Roger that. [This news reporter said:](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKkWVlW3JYQ)Not the best time to tell everyone to sit tight while we assess the situation. It _might_ be dangerous outside, but it’s _sure death inside._ > . Like I said, yet another failure in judgement by this crew. In this accident it should have been beyond obvious that it was time to get out. At least at the airlines I have flown for and the airlines my wife has worked for, it is fairly typical to brief the flight attendants that if THEY see the need to evacuate then they should initiate it and let us know up front. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/183 "2013-07-12T20:39:31Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I don’t think it’s silly to question the need to evacuate the plane in a hurry. I think what they were waiting for was a good reason to get out of the plane. As it happened, there was a reason, once the plane caught fire. But if it hadn’t, what’s the rush? There might have been people with injuries that would be aggravated by being moved. There could have been leaking fuel, hydraulic fluid, or sharp pieces of debris near one of the doors. Maybe they just wanted to avoid anybody being trampled in a panic. > > I think it’s a good idea to assess the situation and find out if the passengers are in more danger inside the plane or out. > > (I’m thinking of movies like _Die Hard 2_. At the very end, when Holly’s plane lands, it just stops and they pop the emergency slides and everyone is standing around in the snow. Why?) After reviewing the current level of evidence they ceased being in charge of anything after that landing. What was once an airplane was now an open shell full of densely packed people who are sitting above smoking hot metal and ruptured fuel tanks. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/184 "2013-07-12T21:13:11Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > An animation of [Asiana 214’s crash sequence,](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JhoAfgYhhs0) likely based on eyewitness videos we’ve all been seeing in the news. > > The blue “ghost” plane is, I guess, what a standard 3-degree descent profile and touchdown would have looked like. I had a hard time telling what was on the (phone?) video but it sure looked low to the ground. The view out of the cockpit would have looked very wrong even to a student pilot who just solo’d. The PAPI lights would have been a verification that they were off the glide slope and that error was in fact getting worse. It’s much more dramatic at night but it’s still staring at them right in the face. That wasn’t just a go-around, that was an emergency in every sense of the word. Barring a mechanical or some other external factor, the plane was at stall speed below the glide slope. It will be interesting to see the flight data plugged into a simulator. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/185 "2013-07-12T22:21:17Z")
Oh dear. KTVU, in the Bay Area, thought they had the pilots names from the NTSB and read them [on the air](http://gawker.com/ktvu-reports-asiana-air-pilots-were-sum-ting-wong-and-759185714). They were…incorrect about their source. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/186 "2013-07-12T22:34:28Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Oh dear. KTVU, in the Bay Area, thought they had the pilots names from the NTSB and read them [on the air](http://gawker.com/ktvu-reports-asiana-air-pilots-were-sum-ting-wong-and-759185714). They were…incorrect about their source. Ironically providing yet another example of something that a professional in their field should have been expected to just look at it and know it was wrong, yet somehow went right ahead with it. Like the botched approach. News production job opening at KTVU, inquire at HR office. ---
**Author:** ![JCFindley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b38774/32.png) [@JCFindley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCFindley)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/187 "2013-07-12T22:40:04Z")
A third passenger has passed away from her injuries. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/188 "2013-07-12T22:56:42Z")
> [@JCFindley](#): > > A third passenger has passed away from her injuries. it was a kid. ---
**Author:** ![JCFindley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b38774/32.png) [@JCFindley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCFindley)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/189 "2013-07-12T23:13:33Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > it was a kid. Sad ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/190 "2013-07-12T23:59:41Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Oh dear. KTVU, in the Bay Area, thought they had the pilots names from the NTSB and read them [on the air](http://gawker.com/ktvu-reports-asiana-air-pilots-were-sum-ting-wong-and-759185714). They were…incorrect about their source. Got the bubble headed bleached blond Who comes on at 5 She can tell you bought the plane crash With a gleam in her eye ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/191 "2013-07-13T00:43:03Z")
Today’s media doesn’t care about being right, only about being first. :rolleyes: Really enjoying everyone’s commentary and insights, thanks so very much. I’m from a Boeing family, and while I’m not in the aerospace or airline industries, planes are in my blood. My Dad was a customer service engineering supervisor in maintenance publications for the 747, then later the 757 and 767. I lost him years ago, but in reading some of your comments, it feels like I could be talking to him. The video of the A380 landing at SFO was fascinating, even though it was an Airbus. :dubious: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BlakeTyner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@BlakeTyner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlakeTyner)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/192 "2013-07-13T04:26:10Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Oh dear. KTVU, in the Bay Area, thought they had the pilots names from the NTSB and read them [on the air](http://gawker.com/ktvu-reports-asiana-air-pilots-were-sum-ting-wong-and-759185714). They were…incorrect about their source. Turns out, the source _was_ the NTSB, although it was a summer intern there. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/193 "2013-07-13T08:11:10Z")
I suspect that person will soon be a _former_ summer intern. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/194 "2013-07-13T08:19:27Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I suspect that person will soon be a _former_ summer intern. And sooner still getting a _salary_ at, say, _The Onion_, or some workplace where chutzpah is particularly valued. Could have been a calculated risk by said intern. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/195 "2013-07-13T11:32:33Z")
I wouldn’t assume an intern is unpaid. A lot of them aren’t, but the NTSB is not private, corporate America. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the intern did get a paycheck. Not anymore, I’d expect. ---
**Author:** ![johnpost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@johnpost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnpost)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/196 "2013-07-13T15:07:23Z")
NTSB says the intern was a student volunteer answering phones who should be transferring calls. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/197 "2013-07-13T18:36:32Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The only thing it lacks is cows and catapults. The investigation is not finished yet. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/198 "2013-07-13T21:25:16Z")
> [@johnpost](#): > > NTSB says the intern was a student volunteer answering phones who should be transferring calls. Sequester in action? ---
**Author:** ![JCFindley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b38774/32.png) [@JCFindley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCFindley)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/199 "2013-07-13T21:43:10Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Sequester in action? Very possible. Keep in mind, pulling a stunt like this using gov’t assets, even if it is just a phone or computer for an email, is probably against some statute. If you embarrass an agency at a national level like this with a prank, they will likely look for any possible way to prosecute you. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806/200 "2013-07-20T03:09:32Z")
And BBC TV has just confirmed that one girl who died was indeed run over by an emergency-response vehicle on the tarmac. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/plane-crash-at-san-francisco-international/662806.md?page=11)