CNN weather guy is talking about carb ice. Turboprops don’t have carburettors.
Most news reporters don’t know jack about airplanes, Johnny. You know that. As time goes by, I more and more suspect that the average reporter is expert only at obtaining teeth whitening and a haircut.
Yeah, I think the coincidence is that two flights out of NY metro went down within a month of each other. But then, NY metro is also home to 3 major airports.
I think it’s kinda like the birthday problem. If you were to take any two random flights from the same metro area then you could find a pair, one person from each flight, with some bizarre connections that would only be realized if both flights went down. The chances that the connection is “relative of 9/11 victim” are probably less that 50%, but there are an almost infinite number of other bizarro links that you could be shocked by: 2 disabled Iraq war veterans, 2 Holocaust survivors, 2 of Obama’s cabinet nominees, etc. Chances are one of those links will be a hit.
West of Buffalo is Lake Erie, the crash happened about 15 miles east of the city and maybe less than 10 miles from the airport.
It’s 2 in the afternoon and no new real news, the fire and surrounding area cooled off enough to let the NTSB people in to get the data recorders, no recoveries yet.
That’s slanderous and unfair. The average TV reporter is expert only at obtaining teeth whitening and a haircut. Other journalists tend to be very skilled at obtaining alcohol.
I stand corrected, then! 
Top o’ the headlines here of course.
A lot of people from Toronto go through Buffalo to other destinations in the States.
Ah. Yes … just call me Wrong Way. I meant east.
Yahoo had an article just now saying the data recorder showed a sharp change of pitch and roll when they put down the flaps in preparation for landing.
Sounds to me like an asymmetric flap deployment caused by ice buildup.
My grandparents lived about a mile from the Buffalo airport. The planes landed right over their house. We could sit in their driveway and wave at the pilots coming in and they would wave back.
Someone at the PPRuNe thread mentioned how the controller informed another aircraft from the same company his colleague had gone down. It was heart-breaking:
ATC: Sir, I need you to prepare yourself. Umm, company dash 8 inbound, we think it went down over the outer marker. We’re not sure why. I’m not sure if you want to try the approach. Since then we’ve had 4 aircraft going, they were all jets.
CJC3268: Er, can you clarify the, er, the dash 8? How… what do you mean it went down?!
ATC: He didn’t make the airport. He was cleared for the approach, he went over to tower, he didn’t call the tower, basically he X’ed out on his mode C, we couldn’t get a hold of him. There’s report he’s, um, went down about 5 miles NW of the airport [sic].
It must be very difficult for that crew to learn about what happened that way.
On the other hand, flying over the outer marker, looking down, and seeing a blazing inferno with your company logo sticking up out of it is not a good way to find out, either.
I’ve had to fly over airplane wrecks while going into and out of an airport before. It’s not a happy thing.
By the way, TMZ is reporting that two members of Chuck (“Feels So Good”) Mangione’s band were killed in the crash. A show scheduled for Friday night in Buffalo has been canceled.
Partial passenger list posted.
The cantor at the synagogue much of my father’s side of the family attends is dead. I’ve met her a few times at services and bar/bat mitzvahs.
i am amazed that people living in the house survived.
Quick question: how are off-duty pilots “hitching” rides on company aircraft marked down on passenger lists and manifests? I’m assuming the presence of one is why the death toll was listed as 49 when I went to bed and 50 when I got up.
Only two of them. The husband/father was in the center of the house, where the plane came in. His wife and daughter were on opposite sides of the house, and were able to crawl to safety. No word on the husband and they are not releasing the name of the fatality on the ground.
ETA- Leaper, there were 49 on the plane and one on the ground, I think. That’s how CBS radio is reporting it here.
I received an e-mail from some friends who had a reservation on this flight, but had some last-minute problems, felt rushed, and decided to wait a day.
No, crew and passengers are all included in the total count of people so “all dead” means the same number regardless of the number of crew, passengers, and deadheading crew.
It’s not physically possible to get an asymmetric flap deployment on a Dash 8 unless one of the primary drive shafts AND the secondary drive shaft physically break so that’s highly unlikely.