# Planned Parenthood defunded in NH! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706 "2011-07-12T02:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/1 "2011-07-12T02:34:57Z")
In New Hampshire! Wow. > **[Planned Parenthood Defunded In New Hampshire](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-hampshire-planned-parenthood_n_894991)** > > Planned Parenthood Defunded In New Hampshire The legislature voted to keep funding it, the state Dept of HHS wanted to keep it, but– > [@Laura Bassett for Huffpost](#): > > New Hampshire lawmakers rejected multiple attempts to defund Planned Parenthood during the 2011 legislative session, voting repeatedly in favor of continuing to fund PPNNE using the state’s federal family planning money. But the Executive Council, which oversees state contracting and generally stays out of hot-button political issues, overturned the decisions of both the state legislature and the Department of Health and Human Services with its 3-2 vote against Planned Parenthood. Whence this anti-PP decision? > [@](#): > > The three Councilors who voted against funding for Planned Parenthood said they did so because some of its clinics provide abortions, even though those abortions are entirely privately funded. Councilor Raymond Wieczorek of Manchester added that he opposed funding for birth control and condoms altogether. > > “If they want to have a good time, why not let them pay for it?” he told the Concord Monitor last week. So, good old-fashioned male dickery then. I was going to put this in the stupid Pubbie thread, but I didn’t see any party affilation. Maybe these guys are just sexist nincompoops. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/2 "2011-07-12T02:55:14Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Councilor Raymond Wieczorek of Manchester added that he opposed funding for birth control and condoms altogether. > > “If they want to have a good time, why not let them pay for it?” he told the Concord Monitor last week. He wants people to have babies as punishment for daring to have sex? Okaaay. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/3 "2011-07-12T02:57:40Z")
Wow, talk about poor policy decisions. I’m going to go out on a limb here and make the prediction that this decision is going to come back to haunt them. Fiscally. Big time. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/4 "2011-07-12T03:11:13Z")
I can understand why PP got defunded. After all, 95% of what they do is abortions. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/5 "2011-07-12T03:19:17Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > He wants people to have babies as punishment for daring to have sex? Okaaay. Not people, women. That’s what the anti-abortion/anti birth control movement is about; using pregnancy as a club against women. ---
**Author:** ![blondebear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blondebear/32/1022_2.png) [@blondebear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blondebear)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/6 "2011-07-12T03:22:12Z")
It’s interesting to see my coworker’s reaction to this kind of news. He is adamantly against the funding of Planned Parenthood, but they happen to be one of _our_ customers. If they lose funding, we lose money. What a dilemma! ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/7 "2011-07-12T03:28:23Z")
They didn’t just defund it, they gutted it, the PP clinics can no longer dispense any medications: > [@](#): > > The Council, a constitutionally empowered group of elected officials, rejected up to $1.8 million in state funding for the family planning-provider – about 20 percent of its total annual funding – and stripped its authority to dispense low-cost birth control and antibiotics to uninsured patients. > > “We can’t even provide patients with antibiotics for urinary tract infections or STDs anymore,” said Jennifer Frizzell, a spokesperson for Planned Parenthood of Northern New England. She said Planned Parenthood has had to turn away 20 to 30 patients a day who are showing up to refill their prescriptions. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/8 "2011-07-12T03:43:26Z")
> [@](#): > > The three Councilors who voted against funding for Planned Parenthood said they did so because some of its clinics provide abortions, even though those abortions are entirely privately funded. Councilor Raymond Wieczorek of Manchester added that he opposed funding for birth control and condoms altogether. > > “If they want to have a good time, why not let them pay for it?” he told the Concord Monitor last week. I think Councilor Wieczorek’s wife/partner and all the other partner’s of the men involved in this decision should cut them off. I’m normally opposed to withholding sex as punishment, but it seems appropriate in this case. Men who oppose women being able to have easy and affordable access to reproductive health care should be ostracized by women. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/9 "2011-07-12T03:46:09Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I can understand why PP got defunded. After all, 95% of what they do is abortions. You should check your facts… Besides, even if this was true, so? > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Not people, women. That’s what the anti-abortion/anti birth control movement is about; using pregnancy as a club against women. Theoretically, the men will also suffer. Tho, yes, eliminating access to abortion is mostly a womens issue. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/10 "2011-07-12T03:55:51Z")
So the will of the people and of their elected official is ultimately less important than the personal beliefs of one man. There’s something wrong with this flow chart. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/11 "2011-07-12T04:09:22Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > You should check your facts… Besides, even if this was true, so? whoosh ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/12 "2011-07-12T04:13:11Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > You should check your facts… It was not intended to be a factual statement. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/13 "2011-07-12T04:18:22Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > > [@Ludovic](#): > > > > I can understand why PP got defunded. After all, 95% of what they do is abortions. > > You should check your facts… Besides, even if this was true, so? Possibly **Ludovic** was joking here? IIRC the 95% figure supposedly comes from a recent quote by a prominent opponent of abortion. Either he misspoke, or else his statement was taken out of context by the other side; but either way my understanding is that the 95% figure is wildly inaccurate. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/14 "2011-07-12T04:19:48Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > He wants people to have babies as punishment for daring to have sex? Okaaay. No, he said protection is on their own dime ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/15 "2011-07-12T04:24:08Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > He wants people to have babies as punishment for daring to have sex? Okaaay. I _think_ he means that people should pay for their birth control. That makes a lot more sense and is less callous. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/16 "2011-07-12T04:31:20Z")
> [@blondebear](#): > > It’s interesting to see my coworker’s reaction to this kind of news. He is adamantly against the funding of Planned Parenthood, but they happen to be one of _our_ customers. If they lose funding, we lose money. What a dilemma! Welcome to earning your way without being attached to the Government teat ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/17 "2011-07-12T04:33:56Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > whoosh > [@dropzone](#): > > It was not intended to be a factual statement. Are you guys sure? It seemed to be a serious statement. Tho I would prefer it was a whoosh… > [@flickster](#): > > No, he said protection is on their own dime Protection doesn’t always work, so “If they want to have a good time, why not let them pay for it?” sounds like he thinks babies are a good punishment. Even if he just means that everyone should pay for their own birth control, it almost ends up being the same thing for poor people and teens. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/18 "2011-07-12T04:34:11Z")
> [@appleciders](#): > > I _think_ he means that people should pay for their birth control. That makes a lot more sense and is less callous. True story. I was in Wal-Mart this evening and there was a couple standing around in front of the condoms for a long time. I had several things I needed in the pharmacy so I kept running across them again and again. They seemed to be arguing. Finally I got nearby enough to figure out that they were trying to figure out how to pay for condoms, because they didn’t have the money if they got the other stuff they needed. It got more and more heated, it seemed like the guy just wanted to … well, not worry about the condoms. All the while, they’ve got a little baby in a stroller right next to them. All I could think was, damn dude, suck it up and get the condoms, if it’s about money! You’ve gotta know how expensive a baby is! Anyway, it seems like inexpensive birth control for people of low incomes makes sense to me. Realistically, just expecting people who are poor to be celibate because they can’t afford birth control isn’t gonna happen, and we’re all going to pay for that kid. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/19 "2011-07-12T04:41:43Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > True story. I was in Wal-Mart this evening and there was a couple standing around in front of the condoms for a long time. I had several things I needed in the pharmacy so I kept running across them again and again. They seemed to be arguing. Finally I got nearby enough to figure out that they were trying to figure out how to pay for condoms, because they didn’t have the money if they got the other stuff they needed. It got more and more heated, it seemed like the guy just wanted to … well, not worry about the condoms. All the while, they’ve got a little baby in a stroller right next to them. All I could think was, damn dude, suck it up and get the condoms, if it’s about money! You’ve gotta know how expensive a baby is! > > Anyway, it seems like inexpensive birth control for people of low incomes makes sense to me. Realistically, just expecting people who are poor to be celibate because they can’t afford birth control isn’t gonna happen, and we’re all going to pay for that kid. If you’re too broke to buy a pack of rubbers, maybe it’s time to settle for a quick BJ while you’re heading out the door to get an F’n job ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/20 "2011-07-12T05:01:38Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Are you guys sure? It seemed to be a serious statement. Tho I would prefer it was a whoosh… Yeah, the person was just quoting someone else who said that. We had at least one good Pit thread on the subject, and it was in several news sources. > [@](#): > > Protection doesn’t always work, so “If they want to have a good time, why not let them pay for it?” sounds like he thinks babies are a good punishment. Even if he just means that everyone should pay for their own birth control, it almost ends up being the same thing for poor people and teens. I got pregnant while using condoms AND contraceptive foam. But yeah, many people who are anti-abortion and anti-birth control DO seem to think that babies are God’s way of punishing women who want to have sex. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706.md?page=2)