# Planned Parenthood defunded in NH! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706 "2011-07-12T02:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/41 "2011-07-12T19:02:54Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > I got pregnant after a tubal ligation … 10 years after. :smack: I got pregnant two other times when I was on birth control…but I think you win. If you can call it winning. > [@Marley23](#): > > Man, I love the way this new Republican Party prioritizes fiscal sanity and stays out of social issues. What I REALLY love is the way that they are providing jobs for all those poor lawyers, when someone sues the state about the illegal laws. Because, you know, there’s just not enough lawsuits going on. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/42 "2011-07-12T20:36:14Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > Off topic, but while that passage gets used by plenty of fundamentalistic mysogynists, **Fear Itself** , Ephesians 5 isn’t really like that. The rest of the chapter contains the commands for the husband making it far more equal. It’s just that the assholes stop reading at verse 24. > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **Ephesians 5:25, 28, 33** > > **25** Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her. **28** In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. **33** However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. I don’t see how commanding women to submit to their husbands in all things is mitigated by commanding husbands to love their wives. ---
**Author:** ![Oldeb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea666f/32.png) [@Oldeb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oldeb)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/43 "2011-07-12T22:14:47Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > I don’t see how commanding women to submit to their husbands in all things is mitigated by commanding husbands to love their wives. Specifically, it says “as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.” Jesus himself was clear on what that love entailed in [Matthew 20:26-28](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2020:26-28&version=NIV), “whoever wants to be first must be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve.” It’s not a call for husbands to do whatever they want and the wife to obey without question. I’m not saying you have to agree with Christianity or the Bible or anything like that. Just that if you’re looking for examples of Biblical misogyny Ephesians 5 is a very poor place to start. Yeah, it’s a commonly used example of such, but it’s an incorrect one. I also don’t think Raymond Wieczorek or his fellow council members were basing it off Ephesians anyway. I might have missed it, but I didn’t see him use any biblical quotes. He just wants to punish people for having sex. Presumably because he’s not getting any and doesn’t think anyone else should either. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/44 "2011-07-12T22:22:31Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > Specifically, it says “as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.” Jesus himself was clear on what that love entailed in [Matthew 20:26-28](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2020:26-28&version=NIV), “whoever wants to be first must be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve.”. In what way is Matthew 20:26-28 talking about love? Here is the whole story: > [@](#): > > **20** Then the mother of Zebedee’s sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him. > > **21** “What is it you want?” he asked. > > She said, “Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.” > > **22** “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said to them. “Can you drink the cup I am going to drink?” > > “We can,” they answered. > > **23** Jesus said to them, “You will indeed drink from my cup, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared by my Father.” **24** When the ten heard about this, they were indignant with the two brothers. **25** Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. **26** Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, **27** and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— **28** just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” I don’t see how that can be construed to define the qualities of love. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/45 "2011-07-12T22:37:17Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > Alternatively, if your blood pressure goes up at the idea of someone, somewhere, getting a free condom, you probably need to get laid. Not free - paid for by the taxpayers ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/46 "2011-07-12T22:40:02Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Not free - paid for by the taxpayers Lord knows I too begrudge chipping in half a cent rather than considerable more when that couple who can’t even afford a rubber wind up with a child they can’t afford and start taking far more government money to help raise it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/47 "2011-07-12T22:40:08Z")
That has no effect on my blood pressure whatsoever. Nonetheless, I wouldn’t mind. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/48 "2011-07-12T23:26:10Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Not free - paid for by the taxpayers Are you just a right-wing talking points bot? The context of free was clear to all except you in that it was **free to the person getting the condom** and didn’t particularly benefit from you popping up like some Tea Party Jack in the Box shouting “taxpayer! taxpayer!” No, we’re aware there’s no condom fairy. Would that there was. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/49 "2011-07-12T23:26:36Z")
So what’s the cost of birth control to the taxpayer vs. the cost of WIC, subsidised schooling and/or housing, food stamps and various other benefits that may be given to a woman below the poverty line with one or more children? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/50 "2011-07-12T23:29:40Z")
> [@Sierra\_Indigo](#): > > So what’s the cost of birth control to the taxpayer vs. the cost of WIC, subsidised schooling and/or housing, food stamps and various other benefits that may be given to a woman below the poverty line with one or more children? Who says he thinks those should be available, either? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/51 "2011-07-12T23:35:55Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > Yeah, the person was just quoting someone else who said that. We had at least one good Pit thread on the subject, and it was in several news sources. Ah. Apparently I missed the thread and I try to avoid the news. > [@](#): > > I got pregnant while using condoms AND contraceptive foam. But yeah, many people who are anti-abortion and anti-birth control DO seem to think that babies are God’s way of punishing women who want to have sex. I suppose just another way to show what hypocrites anti-choicers are - “must not kill baby thru abortion” doesn’t seem to go with “babies are punishment”. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > [They’re sure…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=604375) No wonder I missed that thread - boring title! 😃 [QUOTE=jayjay] Who says he thinks those should be available, either? [/QUOTE] Oh, he wants those things available - that is how you keep women in their place! ---
**Author:** ![Linguini](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3ab097/32.png) [@Linguini](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linguini)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/52 "2011-07-13T00:39:16Z")
Abortion enthusiast say that tax payer dollars account for a minute fraction of the budget at the PP Abortion Mill. In fact, they say that no tax dollars are used for the killing of unborn children. Why the rant? Send them a check if you are so distraught. ---
**Author:** ![papergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/aca169/32.png) [@papergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papergirl)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/53 "2011-07-13T00:41:31Z")
Hopefully the Feds will shut this one down just as quickly as they did here in Indiana. Mitch Daniels defunded PP here, and the Feds were quick to override the decision, pointing out that the state cannot dictate to Medicaid patients who they may or may not receive care from, and defunding PP does exactly that–makes it unavailable for women who are on Medicaid. If the state defunds PP, they are likely to lose ALL Medicaid funding. Added upon editing: I would gladly earmark my taxes or charitable contributions to pay for abortions. LMK when that becomes an option, 'kay? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/54 "2011-07-13T01:54:42Z")
> [@Linguini](#): > > Abortion enthusiasts… _Whats the ugliest…part…of your body? Whats the ugliest…part…of your body? Some say your nose Some say your toes But I think its your miiiiind…_ St. Francis of Zappa “Enthusiasts”? What the _fuck_ are you thinking, and with what? You are more disgusting that Cthulu’s rectum. But soft! I am in receipt today of another letter from NARAL, once again begging a pittance in cash. (Fucking liberals, give once, give forever…) I have just written the check, sent it along. No doubt, the word “linguini” in the memo line will confuse somebody, they won’t know what its about. But I do. And so do you. And the horse upon in which you rode. ---
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/55 "2011-07-13T02:04:07Z")
> [@Linguini](#): > > Abortion enthusiast say that tax payer dollars account for a minute fraction of the budget at the PP Abortion Mill. In fact, they say that no tax dollars are used for the killing of unborn children. Why the rant? Send them a check if you are so distraught. Exactly, so the funds this Kangaroo Council yanked were never used for abortions. Thank Og they were there to save the children, uh, wait, prevent… no, well, they sure stopped women from accessing inexpensive birth control. I have no idea why you think that’s going to reduce the number of abortions. Take \*your \*rant and shove it. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/56 "2011-07-13T02:09:07Z")
Obvious troll is obvious. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/57 "2011-07-13T02:33:36Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Lord knows I too begrudge chipping in half a cent rather than considerable more when that couple who can’t even afford a rubber wind up with a child they can’t afford and start taking far more government money to help raise it. Why is there the automatic assumption that if so, it’s once again the taxpayer’s obligation? No wonder we’re broke. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/58 "2011-07-13T02:39:09Z")
“Abortion enthusiasts”…that makes it sound like there should be an abortion fan club or something. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/59 "2011-07-13T02:40:34Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > “Abortion enthusiasts”…that makes it sound like there should be an abortion fan club or something. Of course, it’s the “pro-lifers” who carry around the Aborted Fetus trading cards and posters… ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/60 "2011-07-13T03:02:12Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Why is there the automatic assumption that if so, it’s once again the taxpayer’s obligation? No wonder we’re broke. So what do you propose happen to children when people who are too poor end up pregnant by accident, and can’t afford to terminate the pregnancy, or terminations are just not available because everywhere that used to supply them has been defunded and shut down? And don’t say they shouldn’t fuck, because people won’t stop fucking just because you say so. The fact is people will fuck and kids will happen. So either affordable birth control be made available to all people regardless of socio-economic status, or the issue of that fucking needs to be supported and raised. And once children are in the picture, why should they be punished for the bad choices of their parents? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706.md?page=4)