# Planned Parenthood defunded in NH! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706 "2011-07-12T02:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/61 "2011-07-13T03:07:51Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Why is there the automatic assumption that if so, it’s once again the taxpayer’s obligation? No wonder we’re broke. Because no matter how hard you try, you are never, ever going to convince a majority of people that a child should be left to starve due to its parents’ incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/62 "2011-07-13T03:13:32Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > “Abortion enthusiasts”…that makes it sound like there should be an abortion fan club or something. He meant Abortion Enthusiasts, the bi-monthly magazine. You should subscribe, the recipes are to die for. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/63 "2011-07-13T03:14:51Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Theoretically, the men will also suffer. Tho, yes, eliminating access to abortion is mostly a womens issue. The reluctant father is financially on the hook for 18 years . That is way more than theoretical. Don’t tell me its _mostly_ a woman’s issue. Its everyone’s issue. That’s why they call it _family_ planning. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/64 "2011-07-13T03:18:37Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > …You should subscribe, the recipes are to die for. Nobody touches that line, OK? Nobody! This ain’t 4-chan. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/65 "2011-07-13T03:19:39Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > He meant Abortion Enthusiasts, the bi-monthly magazine. You should subscribe, the recipes are to die for. Yeah, but they leave me feeling a little empty. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/66 "2011-07-13T03:23:24Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Because no matter how hard you try, you are never, ever going to convince a majority of people that a child should be left to starve due to its parents’ incompetence. Still does not explain the automatic assumption the child will become a ward of the state. Here’s where the colapse of the traditional family structure comes into play ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/67 "2011-07-13T03:27:14Z")
And, as we all know, Planned Parenthood engineered the collapse of the traditional family structure. ---
**Author:** ![Sierra\_Indigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f0a364/32.png) [@Sierra\_Indigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sierra_Indigo)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/68 "2011-07-13T03:29:55Z")
If someone is too poor to afford birth control or an abortion, even in a partnered state, then it most likely follows they will be too poor to 100% support their child. So they may apply for medicaid or medicare or WIC. They may apply for food stamps, they may apply for subsidised housing, schooling or any other further assistance they can get to raise their child/ren. Almost all of these programmes are funded by taxpayer dollars. The alternative is they have access to none of these tools and programmes, so you have people under the poverty line with children they can’t afford to feed, and no social assistance to care for the children. What then? Do they keep their children in a state of malnourishment and poor health? Or do they dump their children on the nearest hospital/fire station doorstep and let them become wards of the state? ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/69 "2011-07-13T04:16:39Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > And, as we all know, Planned Parenthood engineered the collapse of the traditional family structure. Not what I said. I was linking the collapse of the traditional family “safety net” to the need for potentially adding more wards of the state. I’ll kindly withhold my opinion of Planned Parenthood ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/70 "2011-07-13T04:30:27Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > The reluctant father is financially on the hook for 18 years . That is way more than theoretical. Don’t tell me its _mostly_ a woman’s issue. Its everyone’s issue. That’s why they call it _family_ planning. If the father be determined, found, has any money and actually follows thru on paying. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/71 "2011-07-13T04:33:29Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > If the father be determined Well, if we can’t even get past that hurdle, the baby momma got some issues… ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/72 "2011-07-13T04:36:03Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Well, if we can’t even get past that hurdle, the baby momma got some issues… Some of them do… ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/73 "2011-07-13T04:37:11Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Not what I said. I was linking the collapse of the traditional family “safety net” to the need for potentially adding more wards of the state. Cite for the existence of this traditional family safety net? ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/74 "2011-07-13T04:41:17Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Still does not explain the automatic assumption the child will become a ward of the state. Here’s where the colapse of the traditional family structure comes into play The fuck are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/75 "2011-07-13T05:02:36Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Cite for the existence of this traditional family safety net? Your asking for a cite illustrates my point perfectly ---
**Author:** ![Tinkertoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@Tinkertoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinkertoy)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/76 "2011-07-13T05:06:17Z")
I’m no longer going with the term Pro-lifers, I’m now calling them Forced-birthers. Pro-choice people are also pro-life so it justs fits better to state it plainly. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/77 "2011-07-13T05:18:13Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > Your asking for a cite illustrates my point perfectly Boy, he’s got you there, you asked for a cite! Sure outsmarted you, no two ways about it! Mighty embarassing, get outfoxed by someone that fuckin’ stupid. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/78 "2011-07-13T05:33:06Z")
No, really. When my mom had me, she had a sister who gave her a place to stay, parents who helped with the child (me), she had that safety net. But I can’t expect that everyone does. What if someone is disowned by her parents, or her family is dead or out of the picture? What safety net is there for someone raised by a series of foster parents? ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/79 "2011-07-13T05:40:31Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > No, really. When my mom had me, she had a sister who gave her a place to stay, parents who helped with the child (me), she had that safety net. But I can’t expect that everyone does. What if someone is disowned by her parents, or her family is dead or out of the picture? What safety net is there for someone raised by a series of foster parents? exactly Wards of the State, or “It takes a Village” does not equal a strong core family ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2011, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/80 "2011-07-13T06:37:36Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > exactly > Wards of the State, or “It takes a Village” does not equal a strong core family Okay, so what’s your solution? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706.md?page=5)