# Planned Parenthood defunded in NH! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 12, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706 "2011-07-12T02:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/141 "2011-07-14T15:13:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Stolen and facebooked. 🙂 Funny, I stole it _from_ Facebook. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/142 "2011-07-14T15:51:07Z")
OMGBC, I’d find cites to back up everything I’ve said if I thought it would do any good. But this is the Pit and I have a feeling it wouldn’t help matters anyway. It’s impossible to argue with someone who refuses to see reason, and never ever concedes any point. Hell, your convenience store bullshit is enough to prove that. And I’d be wasting my time arguing with someone who is that willfully obtuse (and that is obviously your MO). ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/143 "2011-07-14T18:12:36Z")
Yeah. That’s what it is. Or, and bear with me here, what’s probably more likely is that you’re-- as is the usual MO with pro-choicers-- fearmongering. That gets old after a while. It really does. …Oh, and fwiw, the convenience store thing isn’t bullshit. As you know, I know and everyone on this forum knows, saying that women won’t be able to afford low-cost contraceptives if Planned Parenthood goes bye-bye is a load of horse manure, simply because you can walk your ass into most any gas station, any convenience store or any Wal-Mart, walk down to the family planning isle, and find some form of contraceptive for less than $10 (and I ain’t just talking about condoms). Before you start calling someone “wilfully obtuse”, perhaps you should try being a bit honest in the way your argue? That would make a world of difference. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/144 "2011-07-14T18:30:31Z")
The services PP provides are almost all to the poor . Nobody else provides to the poor like they do. They save us a lot of money in the future. It is smart to fund PP. The reason we have programs for the poor and elderly is because they were way under served. They went without the services. No charity kept up with the need. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/145 "2011-07-14T18:31:41Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > …simply because you can walk your ass into most any gas station, any convenience store or any Wal-Mart, walk down to the family planning isle, and find some form of contraceptive for less than $10 … What does that have to do with low cost birth control? You seem to think if they spend ten bucks, they are forever protected from conception. Even if it is ten bucks a month, it is beyond the budget of many low income families. It is obvious the experience of true poverty is beyond your imagination. Everybody has ten bucks for condoms. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/146 "2011-07-14T18:34:54Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Everybody has ten bucks for condoms. Or if they don’t, then either they needed to plan better or they should just not have sex. Hell, man, sometimes sex is the only entertainment available. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/147 "2011-07-14T18:44:10Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Perhaps the GOP realized that the CDC, while undoubtedly sharp on the issue of disease eradication, wasn’t too sharp on the issue of political corruption, and further realized that the idea that they could set up an effective vaccination program in Mexico was unrealistic, because money and supplies sent for this purpose would be stolen, bribes required, and ultimately the program would cost more than planned and be less effective than planned. > > Is that possible? Yeah, possible. And I would have been happy to see that kind of analysis. From my memory, this did not match the rhetoric coming from the lawmakers. Another problem is that the ratio of costs between the status quo and the vaccination program was something like 1000:1; it would take a lot of graft and corruption for to outweigh this ratio. But I concede this could have been part of their thinking. Anyway, my opinion still stands. I do not hear anything from the Republican party that sounds like a solution to the serious problems we are facing these days. All I hear are ideological stances. If you are having a different experience, please share where you are experiencing plans and ideas from the right side of aisle… ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/148 "2011-07-14T18:52:49Z")
BaLCK CONSERVATIVE ,you are so wrong. > **[Wall Street Pit - Stock Market, Technology, Science](https://wallstreetpit.com)** > > Breaking news and analysis from Wall Street Pit. Stock market, economy, politics, technology, science, health and world news. Wendell potter was a Gigna Heathcare Eec for 15 years. Then he went to the County Fairgrounds in Virginia and saw people from several states in long lines trying to get heathcare. We have a healhtcare relief organization because so many people go without health care. Yet you want to dump PP? No, other organization will not and can not provide. We have 50 million uninsured and under insured. No charity comes close to meeting that need. None can. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/149 "2011-07-14T19:10:28Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Anyway, let’s get down to the nitty gritty. It’s really Democrats/liberals who don’t much of care about those who are born. Sure, they like to advocate for all these nifty social programs that society can’t afford, but that’s easy to do when the cost of said programs tend to fall on someone else rather than yourself. **You see, both in total dollars and as a percentage of their income, Republicans/conservatives tend to pay more in taxes than do Democrats/liberals.** So when taxes go up as a result of increasing government spending on social programs, you don’t feel is as much as the other guy, yet when the other guy complains about it, you feel the need to mock him for it and tell him he doesn’t care about those born, even if he’s, on average, more generous than you (that is, he donates more of his income to charity and volunteers more often than you do). The liberal mindset is funny. Maybe one day I’ll seek to understand it (or my head will assplode trying). > \ Emphasis added by me. I am sure you can back this up, right **OMGABC**? It seems, on the face of it, clearly bullshit since blue states tend to supply much more in federal taxes per capita than red states. But you sure seem sure of yourself, so just go ahead and prove it. > [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > > [@Indygrrl](#): > > > > Despite what you seem to believe, there aren’t many other health clinics and doctors offices in these communities. Planned Parenthood IS the only source of affordable reproductive health services in a lot of low income areas. And it amazes me that anyone can be so against people having access to healthcare that they can afford. > > I guarantee you can’t cite this, namely because it’s untrue. But humor me. OK, I went and did some Googling and this is what I found. In my county, Jefferson County Colorado, you would be right. The county itself offers contraceptives and family planning services on a sliding scale. I then targeted my googling to Chesire County, NH (chosen at random) and I was unable to find any low cost family planning services or contraceptives outside of Planned Parenthood. That said, I also found that the state Planned Parenthood contract is going to be awarded to a different organization that does not do abortions and that these services will be provided in the future… ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/150 "2011-07-14T19:15:39Z")
> [@L. G. Butts](#): > > I am sure you can back this up, right **OMGABC**? It seems, on the face of it, clearly bullshit since blue states tend to supply much more in federal taxes per capita than red states. But you sure seem sure of yourself, so just go ahead and prove it. Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it? Rich people pay the most in taxes. If you’re rich, it’s clearly because you’re a conservative. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/151 "2011-07-14T19:58:43Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Well, it’s obvious, isn’t it? Rich people pay the most in taxes. If you’re rich, it’s clearly because you’re a conservative. Yet all those rich people from Hollywood are liberals! This is so confusing! Peoples 1 foot wide brushes don’t seem to paint clear pictures. It’s OK though because from a conservative point of view the arts are a waste of money anyhow. Lets just white wash the whole country and call it conservative. So all Americans being conservative it makes a ton of sense that they pay more in US taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/152 "2011-07-14T20:27:37Z")
OMGBC, here’s an article with some of the numbers about the lack of alternatives to PP in Oregon and Washington. The basic fact of the matter is that shutting PP down leaves a huge number of Medicaid patients without preventative health care (including mammograms, pap tests, and STD tests) that can’t be purchased at convenience stores. > **[Proposed federal cuts threaten Planned Parenthood](https://www.columbian.com/news/2011/apr/06/federal-cuts-planned-parenthood-clark-county/)** > > Clark County's only low-income family planning provider could be in jeopardy if members of Congress succeed in stripping federal funding from Planned Parenthood and other clinics. > Planned Parent You can hate PP for whatever crazy reason you want, but saying their services aren’t necessary is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/153 "2011-07-14T20:46:43Z")
Also, people might be able to buy condoms at 7-11, but that’s not exactly a long term strategy for family planning. Women can go to PP, get STD tests and pap tests done, then be prescribed the pill or an IUD (lasts 5 years) at a reduced (not free) rate. These are important elements in responsible sexual health, and saying otherwise is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![papergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/aca169/32.png) [@papergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papergirl)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/154 "2011-07-14T21:54:25Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > …simply because you can walk your ass into most any gas station, any convenience store or any Wal-Mart, walk down to the family planning isle, and find some form of contraceptive for less than $10 Not everyone who has sex has $10 to spend, even at WalMart. But at my local PP, you can buy condoms for 30 cents apiece. Does your WalMart offer that? Mine doesn’t. Know what else WalMart doesn’t offer? Breast exams. Pap smears. Family planning services such as counseling on a one-to-one basis. Information about STDs and how to avoid them. Education. Mammograms. Bloodwork. Free or low-cost pregnancy tests. Cancer screenings. Urinary analysis. And, of course, legal abortion. I don’t know. Maybe your gas stations and convenience stores are a lot snazzier than ours here in Indiana. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/155 "2011-07-14T21:58:12Z")
Really, this whole problem could be solved if we could just get abortions at gas stations and convenience stores. And pay for with them with EBT. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/156 "2011-07-14T22:19:21Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What does that have to do with low cost birth control? You seem to think if they spend ten bucks, they are forever protected from conception. Even if it is ten bucks a month, it is beyond the budget of many low income families. It is obvious the experience of true poverty is beyond your imagination. Everybody has ten bucks for condoms. Excuse me? How much do you think birth control at Planned Parenthood [costs](http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control-4211.htm)? Apparently, you’ve never bothered to look up the costs of birth control at Planned Parenthood. Implanon: $400 - $800 up front but lasts for three years Orhtra Evtra: $15 - $70 a month Birth Control Pills: $15 - $50 a month Depo-Provera: $35 – $75 per injection, plus any exam fees Birth Control Sponge: $9 – $15 for a package of three sponges Birth Control Vaginal Ring: $15 – $70 a month Cervical Cap: $60 – $75, but lasts up to two years Condoms: Cost about $1 each, but are sometimes available for free Diaphragm: $15 – $75, but lasts up to two years Female condom: $4 each IUD: $500 - $1,000 up front, but lasts up to 12 years Spermicide: $8 per package Tubal Ligation: $1,500 - $6,000 Vasectomy: $350 - $1,000 If, as you say, $10 per month is too much more poor people to afford, then most of the poor people can’t afford to use Planned Parenthood anyway since a lot of that costs more than $10 a month or it requires a large sum of money up front that poor people wouldn’t have. Like I said before, one of these days I’m going to try to understand the liberal mindset. It truly is astounding. > [@L. G. Butts](#): > > Emphasis added by me. > > I am sure you can back this up, right **OMGABC**? It seems, on the face of it, clearly bullshit since blue states tend to supply much more in federal taxes per capita than red states. But you sure seem sure of yourself, so just go ahead and prove it. Yes, I can. Unlike others around here, I don’t make shit up. > [@](#): > > What about taxes collected? Does the government collect more from people in the blue states than from people in the red states? The answer is “yes”, and the reason is obvious: People in blue states tend to earn more than people in erd states. However, this does not mean that Democrats pay moer taxes than Republicans. To the contrary, the average Republican pays far more taxes than does the average Democrats-- in absolute dollars and as a percentage of income. This is generally true for all types of taxes and at all governmental levels (federal, state and local). > > …Figure 125, below, shows estimated annual federla income tax amounts paid by men and women in 2003. We that, on average, Republican men pay about 70 percent ($2,900) more in federal income tax than did Democratic men, Republican women paid about 53 percent ($1,700) more than Democratic women, and, on a gender-neutral basis, Republicans paid about 62 percent ($2,300) more. You can read it all [here](http://books.google.com/books?id=wGtJ66o3EyIC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=in+total+dollars+and+as+a+percentage+of+income+republicans+taxes+democrats&source=bl&ots=nIEYBgA2KP&sig=uks-tDyX5MMb8Cxmf5UXYlaQaEQ&hl=en&ei=E10fTo2nG-yz0AGOp8yVAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=in%20total%20dollars%20and%20as%20a%20percentage%20of%20income%20republicans%20taxes%20democrats&f=false). > [@](#): > > I then targeted my googling to Chesire County, NH (chosen at random) and I was unable to find any low cost family planning services or contraceptives outside of Planned Parenthood. That said, I also found that the state Planned Parenthood contract is going to be awarded to a different organization that does not do abortions and that these services will be provided in the future… That’s great. It doesn’t prove my assertion false which itself wasn’t an assertion, but rather me asking for proof of another’s assertion. Of course, good luck with it, because you’re going to need it, as said assertion isn’t true _at all_– unless your county suffers from a lack of any medical provider. > [@Indygrrl](#): > > OMGBC, here’s an article with some of the numbers about the lack of alternatives to PP in Oregon and Washington. The basic fact of the matter is that shutting PP down leaves a huge number of Medicaid patients without preventative health care (including mammograms, pap tests, and STD tests) that can’t be purchased at convenience stores. You do realize that’s the exact same argument Planned Parenthood always makes, don’t you? “Fund us or millions of women won’t have a healthcare provider!” That’s called fearmongering, and it’s baseless. Planned Parenthood tried that same that same argument in Indiana and-- wouldn’t you know it?-- none of their predictions came to pass. [Here](http://posttrib.suntimes.com/news/6139150-417/state-abortion-law-stirs-debate-on-health-care.html) is a pretty good article about what happened in Indiana right after Planned Parenthood was defunded. None of the doom and gloom that was predicted to happen, happened. Women were referred and went elsewhere, and world still spun on its axis. Oh, and mammograms, pap tests and STD tests aren’t contraceptives, and you can obtain all of those from your primary physician, or (s)he will direct you to where you can get them, as should be listed on your Medicaid. Again, the idea that Planned Parenthood is the _only_ place to go where you can get these things for low cost is purely fearmongering, especially considering that Planned Parenthood only services a minority of Medicaid recipients. In Indiana, for example, I think it’s something like 1%. > [@](#): > > Also, people might be able to buy condoms at 7-11, but that’s not exactly a long term strategy for family planning. Women can go to PP, get STD tests and pap tests done, then be prescribed the pill or an IUD (lasts 5 years) at a reduced (not free) rate. These are important elements in responsible sexual health, and saying otherwise is wrong. Fine. They can go to Wal-Mart and get on the pill for like $10 😉 No, but seriously. For people who care about the poor, you guys seem to make some odd posts. If someone is poor-- too poor to afford buying condoms, for example, at their local Wal-Mart-- how on Earth are they going to afford $500 - $1,000 up front for an IUD? I really want someone to explain to me how that works. Edit: And, yeah. It’s nice to see the faux wit is still going strong. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/157 "2011-07-14T22:24:40Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > …Yes? > > I just love this argument. Do you know what a false dichotomy is? I’m going to let you in on a little secret; it’s not a question of subsidizing one or the other. Just because you face an unplanned pregnancy doesn’t mean you’re going to end up on welfare. What is the economic benefit of anybody having an unwanted child? [QUOTE=Omg a Black Conservative] For example, last I saw, California which houses about 13 - 16% of the U.S. population makes up about 50’ish% of all welfare recipients. Go figure. Liberalism run amok. [/QUOTE] Cite? I’ve looked on [Census.gov](http://Census.gov) and [HHS.gov](http://HHS.gov) and other government websites and the highest I saw come near to implying this was a chart showing California accounts for approximately 24% of TANF dollars. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/158 "2011-07-14T22:31:07Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Excuse me? How much do you think birth control at Planned Parenthood [costs](http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control-4211.htm)? Apparently, you’ve never bothered to look up the costs of birth control at Planned Parenthood. Apparently you never bothered to [read your own cite](http://www.plannedparenthood.org/nassau-county/free-birth-control-sti-testing-exams-21652.htm): > [@](#): > > FREE BIRTH CONTROL, STI TESTING & EXAMS > > \*\*Through the Family Planning Benefit Program, you won’t pay anything for your birth control. No co-payments, monthly payments or deductibles. \*\* > > **,** > > Once your application has been approved, many services are covered, such as GYN exams (including Pap tests), all types of birth control (the pill, condoms, the patch, NuvaRing, Depo and others), emergency contraception (the “morning after pill”), STI testing and HIV counseling and testing. > **Find Out If You Qualify!** > > Currently, a single person can earn about $21,660 a year or less and still qualify (income eligibility changes frequently—call (516) 750-2656 or email [EMAIL=“[freebirthcontrol@ppnc.org](mailto:freebirthcontrol@ppnc.org)”]freebirthcontrol@ppnc.org to see if you qualify). You can earn even more if you have children or dependents. The depth of conservative ignorance is breathtaking. ---
**Author:** ![papergirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/aca169/32.png) [@papergirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/papergirl)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/159 "2011-07-14T22:35:36Z")
Call your local ob-gyn office and find out how much a new-patient exam costs, and then calculate your birth control costs for an uninsured woman. That’s where Planned Parenthood can be a lifesaver. I can get birth control pills for the cost of a basic exam (I think it was $35) plus the monthly cost of pills (starting at $4). When I went to a ob-gyn, the new patient exam, pap, etc, was well over $200. Then I could run over to CVS and pay $44 a month for pills. Like it or not, admit it or not, it’s expensive to visit a doctor and obtain women’s healthcare and birth control. And whether you want to admit it or not, not everyone can afford those prices. It would lend much credence to your argument if you could think beyond the “poor people should just not have sex” argument. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2011, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706/160 "2011-07-14T22:47:24Z")
> [@papergirl](#): > > Call your local ob-gyn office and find out how much a new-patient exam costs, and then calculate your birth control costs for an uninsured woman. > That’s where Planned Parenthood can be a lifesaver. I can get birth control pills for the cost of a basic exam (I think it was $35) plus the monthly cost of pills (starting at $4). > When I went to a ob-gyn, the new patient exam, pap, etc, was well over $200. Then I could run over to CVS and pay $44 a month for pills. > Like it or not, admit it or not, it’s expensive to visit a doctor and obtain women’s healthcare and birth control. And whether you want to admit it or not, not everyone can afford those prices. It would lend much credence to your argument if you could think beyond the “poor people should just not have sex” argument. Yes but it did not cost our OMGBC a dime. that is a true success. You are off his radar now. Another poor person disappears. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/planned-parenthood-defunded-in-nh/588706.md?page=9)