# Players whose record was ruined by playing with an all time great
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475
**Category:** The Game Room
**Created:** [August 12, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475 "2011-08-12T17:12:33Z")
**Posts on this page:** 10
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### Author:  [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)
#### Post date: [August 28, 2011, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/81 "2011-08-28T23:10:25Z")
> [@lisiate](#):
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> Sadly I fear your discussion of the dark arts of slow bowling will be incomprehensible to most of the readers here.
It makes perfect sense to this baseball fan, and anyone who ever watched Greg Maddux pitch will get it right away.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/82 "2016-08-11T19:29:28Z")
Bumping the zombie thread now because it’ll maybe just be a news story soon: so long as Ryan Lochte makes it to the podium even once more in Rio, he’ll apparently become the swimmer with the most Olympic medals ever – and the _American_ with the most Olympic medals ever – other than, y’know, Michael Phelps.
But instead of superstardom as the holder of world records, he’s basically treated like an autograph seeker standing next to The Greatest Olympian Of All Time.
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### Author:  [@mixdenny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mixdenny)
#### Post date: [August 11, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/83 "2016-08-11T22:25:50Z")
I forget the player’s name, but he scored a single goal in the game that Wilt Chamberlain scored his 100 point record. He used to tell people about the “…game when Wilt and I combined for 102 points…”
Dennis
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### Author:  [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/84 "2016-08-12T13:45:01Z")
I remember once listening to a sports talk show years ago where the guy (I think it was Mike Franczesa) made a case for Scottie Pippen being the second best player in the league (behind Jordan). It was startling to hear it, but he broke out the stats his defensive skills and challenged his listeners and co-host to come up with anyone else who could match him. So I would think Pippen qualifies as a guy whose greatness was lost by being overshadowed by Jordan.
> [@astorian](#):
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> Muhammad Ali’s trainer, Angelo Dundee often said that, if Ali hadn’t been around, Joe Frazier would merit serious consideration as the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time.
I think it’s more true of Foreman than of Frazier.
> [@mixdenny](#):
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> I forget the player’s name, but he scored a single goal in the game that Wilt Chamberlain scored his 100 point record. He used to tell people about the “…game when Wilt and I combined for 102 points…”
I believe the “record” for “most home runs by two brothers” is held by Hank and Tommy Aaron, with the latter having about 17 or so.
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### Author:  [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/85 "2016-08-12T13:55:28Z")
In the 5 years since this thread ws fresh, Andy Murray has become one.
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### Author:  [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/86 "2016-08-12T22:51:25Z")
> [@mixdenny](#):
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> I forget the player’s name, but he scored a single goal in the game that Wilt Chamberlain scored his 100 point record. He used to tell people about the “…game when Wilt and I combined for 102 points…”
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> Dennis
You are probably thinking of “Hot Rod Hundley” and the player in question was Elgin Baylor, not Chamberlain…as in “Elgin and I combined for 73 points: he had 71 and I had 2”.
In the Chamberlain 100 point game, there was a player on his team named Al Attles, who ordinarily wasn’t a great shot, but went 8 for 8 from the field. Attles later coached the Warriors to a championship.
[http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/wilt\_boxscore.html](http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/wilt_boxscore.html)
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### Author:  [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/87 "2016-08-12T23:30:40Z")
Christiano Ronaldo’s goal scoring prowess over the past 7ish seasons would seem utterly absurd if Messi wasn’t around.
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### Author:  [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)
#### Post date: [August 13, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/88 "2016-08-13T04:30:41Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#):
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> Christiano Ronaldo’s goal scoring prowess over the past 7ish seasons would seem utterly absurd if Messi wasn’t around.
Yeah, but after Euro 2016, CR7 has one up on Messi.
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### Author:  [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)
#### Post date: [August 14, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/89 "2016-08-14T06:10:21Z")
> [@AK84](#):
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> In the 5 years since this thread ws fresh, Andy Murray has become one.
In a decade of his professional career he has had to deal with the greatest player of all time, the greatest clay-court player of all time and the greatest player of the last 5 years (and potentially of all time)…all at the height of their ability.
Murray is just a whisker away from them. Take away one or two of those players and he is into double figures over that decade.
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### Author:  [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)
#### Post date: [August 18, 2016, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/players-whose-record-was-ruined-by-playing-with-an-all-time-great/592475/90 "2016-08-18T08:30:42Z")
> [@mixdenny](#):
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> I forget the player’s name, but he scored a single goal in the game that Wilt Chamberlain scored his 100 point record. He used to tell people about the “…game when Wilt and I combined for 102 points…”
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> Dennis
I think you’re thinking of Bill Wennington, who scored the game-winning basket the night that Bulls teammate Michael Jordan had 55 at Madison Square Garden. “Michael and I combined for 57 points.”
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