# pldennison, who the hell pissed in your Cheerios? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 29, 2000, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695 "2000-12-29T19:13:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![NicePete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ee7513/32.png) [@NicePete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NicePete)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/81 "2001-01-02T05:35:22Z")
Dealt with? Dealt with!!!??? What do you mean by that? How can I explode into frenzies of bombastic literary vomitus if the issues have been _DEALT WITH_? As God as my witness, I swear that there must be some remaining niggling issue, some minor point, some unintended slight, some tiny remaining fraction of equine flesh which awaits a proper pounding. I, for one, shall not rest until that wrong is righted. What are you trying to do here, Gunia? Bring some sense of reason and proportion to the Pit? Fah! ---
**Author:** ![jb\_farley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9d8465/32.png) [@jb\_farley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jb_farley)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/82 "2001-01-02T07:12:22Z")
**Originally posted by pldennison** > [@](#): > > While it is not inherently hypocritical, it is somewhat less than advisable over the Internet. I think even you, Homer, would agree that people in general, and nonprofessionals in particular, should not attempt to diagnose medical or psychiatric conditions over the Internet. How much less advisable is it, then, for such a nonprofessional diagnosis as your very first contact with someone? Especially when the context could be exactly as obfuscatriast described it? Do you see my point, or am I just pissing in the wind, here? No, you make a good point. Why didn’t you say that in the first place? You would have saved a lot of hurt feelings. Instead, you act like a bully and an asshole, posting shit like: > [@](#): > > **Well, when I, and other normal-functioning humans, are not trying to incite someone’s anger, I usually avoid such words as “loser”.** > > “Normal-functioning”? I thought you said you suffered from depression, which is normally considered a dysfunction that requires treatment. Whatever. See? Why did you have to go the distance and take the super low-blow? What is it that made you act so nastily? I don’t generally have a problem with you, **phil**. I’ve liked your posts in the past. I’m in the same boat as **Guin** - you got really mean really fast. In the Beth thread you treated a bunch of other posters like dog shit. Your responses in this thread have reflected that as well. > [@](#): > > The implication is that maybe your own dating skills are not so polished as to put you in a position to rate others’… The point was that maybe I’m in a better position to critique someone’s dating skills than you are. Here we see you shifting into a “I can tell everything about everyone” mode. From a few scant clues, you reconstruct one’s life history, mental fitness, social attitudes, sexual dysfunctions, and general health. And it’s funny, that when JDT did the same thing, he was called on it. Go figure. Wanna see another example? > [@](#): > > Assuming her religion is “Christianity” and not “some syncretic thing I made up,” that bet stands. Any takers? Yes, phil, she is a Christian. Assuming that that is all **Guinastasia** knows about her religion, then your original “ **I bet I know as much about her religion as she does** ” is NOT the statement of an asshole. Otherwise, you’re pretty much deep in the muck. Tell me again about her feelings toward consubstansiation vs transsubstansiation, her feelings as to the true nature of Christ, and how she interprets the Bible? Otherwise shut up. You could have simply left after your half-hearted and emphatically hollow apology, but instead you yammer on. > [@](#): > > The difference between “this thread and threads like it” and “this entire forum” are so glaringly obvious that I am dumbfounded that you would even try to get away with such an egregious mischaracterization. Whatever else you are, you’re smarter than that. So glaringly obvious, in fact, that you don’t have to say what it is, have to use really really big words, and give a hearty backhanded compliment in the end? The mark of a true ass bastard. > [@](#): > > What a frigging waste to spend your time e-mailing probably unwarranted long-distance psychiatric diagnoses to utter strangers. As I said, you pull this crap over and over and over, then backpedal and say, “Oh, that isn’t what I meant. Well, it’s what I meant, but I was angry/depressed/drunk/high. Anyway, it was a joke, but you didn’t get it. Or you did, but I told it wrong.” See phil, this is why you are being called an asshole. What a frigging waste to spend my time replying to you, but I don’t take too kindly to bullies. Again, since neither you nor Nacho will actually post the relevant parts of the letter or **Homer** ’s responses to which you take exception (oh that’s right, because if you did you would only be providing “translations” for every word he posted IN THAT THREAD. THE BETH THREAD), I’m gonna have to say once again, that your opinion on this is a lie. Not once did he say “Well I was drunk/angry/high”, not once did he claim it was a joke (in fact, he’s claimed the exact opposite). You are either lying to yourselves or lying to us. and while I’m talking about Nacho, who is quickly making me dislike her to the core, much faster than anyone else has: _start gradeschool primer music_ _beep_ > [@](#): > > JB-Farley - did Beth join AA? > Deaf = low self-esteem? Hardy har har. Here we see her complete inability to follow what most people would understand to be “an analogy”. No, nacho, I am not calling you anything involving anuses. Don’t worry, I’m making this an “informative and important” contribution. Hardy har shut the hell up. > [@](#): > > And there is not an iota of possibility that you cared about that woman anyway. Here we see her projecting her own lack of empathy onto others. > [@](#): > > Are you retarded? > Are you mentally disabled? > Are you feeble-minded? stupid or just blatantly choosing to blindly ignore logic? Here we see her expressing her lack of empathy. Notice how she is contributing Informative and Important Information. > [@](#): > > That explains why the Pit is so full of boring whines and name-calling lately… I think my head just exploded at the inconsistency of this absolute, utter and complete nonsensical bullshit. And here we see her showing she has no sense of irony. You see, kids. Learning can be fun. Now to end our filmstrip, I will PRETEND to make a **GOOD POINT** by “using” as MANY \*NON-ve **rba** l \* emphases as “ **possible** ”. Works, _ **HUH** _? > [@](#): > > I feel like I’m arguing with a five-year-old with her hands over her ears and her eyes squinched shut, screaming “NONONONONONO!” wow, deja vu. _shakes it off and continues reading Nacho’s posts_ > [@](#): > > I feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall. I wish you were. Now be quiet and keep trying to see how long you can ride phil’s tip for. jb p.s.- oops! I ended the post proper with a dangled preposition. I hope Nacho4Sara doesn’t notice and write a long nonsensical series of posts about that! ---
**Author:** ![Homer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df788c/32.png) [@Homer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/83 "2001-01-02T08:07:35Z")
Frank, thanks for the clarification. It completely changed my opinion of you. I can totally accept being called out when I’m wrong, as long as the calling out is not done maliciously (I tend to attack at that). The only posts I’d noticed from you, IMO, were negative, and, therefore, I decided that you disliked me. Now that you’ve explained what you mean by them, I can easily take them in the meaning they were intended (and I plan on doing so from now on). pricciar and I had sort of the same misunderstanding in the past, and now we’re the friends. (He’s still a loser.) I admit I was wrong and I take back any harsh, incorrect, or unfair generalizations I made about you. Sorry for the trouble. 🙂 –Tim ---
**Author:** ![Homer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df788c/32.png) [@Homer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homer)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/84 "2001-01-02T08:48:38Z")
Aw geez, Phil, I had a gut full of steam (or gas) and you had to go and blow it all away by being civil! Agh! You do this on purpose, don’t you? Building me up to hate you some more than just pop all that! I gotta admit, I laughed till my balls hurt when you mentioned Wesley Willis. You should seriously look him up on Napster (seeing as how obtaining a **legal** copy of his music is nearly impossible, if you don’t like Napster, sorry, but you’re gonna have to do without then), I recommend Chicken Cow or Cut The Mullet. > [@](#): > > While it is not inherently hypocritical… Dude, why didn’t you just **say** that, then!? I’d have never been irritated by it (re: my response to Obfus), cuz everyone’s got a right to their opinion (even if it’s wrong 😉 ). I (usually) only get defensive if I’m insulted, dude! You know that! And then I have a bad habit of overshooting the target, and then posting a retraction later. > [@](#): > > You have a long, sordid history of doing exactly the same thing. ::sigh:: Admitted, but put more emphasis on long, and sordid. > [@](#): > > Really? Why? People who are new: Cover your eyes. This is me at my very, very worst. ☹ While it may ring hollow for some of the oldbies, I really do feel sick when I read what I wrote. Rest assured, life has buttfucked me a dozen times since then and I’m quite a different person. Please don’t hold it against me. Anyway, Phil, I’m sure [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=16449) is a big part of it. Not to mention the Pit thread afterwards, the GQ “prank,” the donkey incident, and a dozen fuckin’ other threads that highlight how much of an ass I can be. ::sigh:: I have to _live_ with myself, can’t you guys at least _put up_ with me for a while? 🙂 To quote mikan from the linked thread > [@](#): > > Homer, I hope that someday in the future you’ll be able to look back on your posts in this thread and be as disgusted with what you wrote as most everyone else here seems to be. Yes, you got some shit stolen, but no, it’s no excuse for the string of racial slurs you spewed. And he’s absolutely correct. ::sigh:: Oh well. People will **still** bring it up. ☹ ::sigh:: I guess now is where I have to make amends for being an asshole to you earlier in the thread, huh? Well geez, I should be used to it by now! 😉 Hey just put another notch in the headboard, I guess? Geez. As much time as I spend in the Pit, I fucking hate having to argue with everybody. Gotta try to keep from alienating friends, while utterly demolishing enemies. It gets too damn complicated, y’know? Fuckin 'a! Damn you Lynn! You and your ilk! –Tim ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/85 "2001-01-02T13:02:07Z")
> [@](#): > > Whatever. > [@](#): > > You big whiny baby. > [@](#): > > I fart in your general direction. > [@](#): > > I swear that there must be some remaining niggling issue, some minor point, some unintended slight, some tiny remaining fraction of equine flesh which awaits a proper pounding. > > I, for one, shall not rest until that wrong is righted. Stop it, man, we’re all drowning in this “intellectual discourse”!! Give us a break! Spare us! ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/86 "2001-01-02T13:21:39Z")
You know what? You guys are all absolutely right. I said everything the wrong way and I should’ve started a Pit thread. I was wrong, and I admit it. I stand by my feelings on the MPSIMS thread itself, but I fucked up in how I presented it. Yeah, Homer, I’ll admit my perception of you is still colored by the thread you linked to. Things like that really offend me and I have a hard time letting them go. I don’t dislike you, though, for anything you’ve said to me or about me. We obviously all say dumb shit in anger–you, me, everyone. Few people here have reached that Zen level of temperament where they can also say the right thing at the right time in the right way. There are only a couple Dopers who can say things to me that I really take personally and that I think are deliberately meant to be mean-spirited; you aren’t one of them. Now let’s all forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/87 "2001-01-02T19:33:42Z")
Don’t ask me, I’m just a girl. Ehe heha! Eheha! ---
**Author:** ![pricciar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@pricciar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pricciar)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/88 "2001-01-02T19:54:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homer \* > \*\* > > pricciar and I had sort of the same misunderstanding in the past, and now we’re the friends. (He’s still a wonderful human being who deserves many glamourous presents.) > > –Tim \*\* **Step 1:** Argue with Homer. **Step 2:** End argument. **Step 3:** Treat Homer nicely. **Step 4:** Wait a few months. **Step 5:** Look in mailbox. Remove fabulous Bullwinkle T-shirt. Wear shirt to impress your friends and annoy your enemies. Everyone who argued with Homer in this thread should start checking their mailboxes soon. pat ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/89 "2001-01-02T19:59:21Z")
Gee…maybe I should start a fight with Homer… ---
**Author:** ![Silo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ac91a4/32.png) [@Silo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silo)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2001, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/90 "2001-01-02T23:15:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > **You know what? You guys are all absolutely right. I said everything the wrong way and I should’ve started a Pit thread. I was wrong, and I admit it. I stand by my feelings on the MPSIMS thread itself, but I fucked up in how I presented it.** Good to see you admit it. 🙂 > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*Gee…maybe I should start a fight with Homer… > \*\* Me too. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/91 "2001-01-03T00:28:30Z")
> [@](#): > > * * * > > ## JB-Farley - did Beth join AA? Deaf = low self-esteem? Hardy har har. > > Here we see her complete inability to follow what most people would understand to be “an analogy”. No, nacho, I am not calling you anything involving anuses. Don’t worry, I’m making this an “informative and important” contribution. Hardy har shut the hell up. A LAME analogy. I don’t have much sympathy or empathy for people with low self-esteem who use it as a defense for being an asshole. Being deaf is completely different from having low self-esteem. How would I know? Well, I was never deaf but I had hearing problems throughout elementary school until I was 11, when I had surgury to correct it. So I know what it is like to be a step-behind in school because you can’t here what the teacher is saying, to not understand what being around you are saying and to not be able to communicate with them because of it. And I had low self-esteem thoughout middle and high school, like every adolescent. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges, AFAICS, speaking from experiance. Please make an effort to read my posts. If you do, you will see that I never asked you to be informative or important (clearly beyond your means.) I simply called you classy for denigrating another poster not based on anything they said or posted, but by calling them names. Lame. Really lame. Are you by any chance still in middle school? > [@](#): > > You see, kids. Learning can be fun. Now to end our filmstrip, I will PRETEND to make a GOOD POINT by “using” as MANY NON-verbal emphases as “possible”. Works, HUH? I’m so sorry you had trouble following the posts to this thread. Let me explain: I could not understand how Guinastasia could possibly say that the Beth thread was not relevant even though she started it based on the Beth thread. Her post made absolutely no sense, and I was merely trying to make sense of it. It was late, I used bolding. Should I have just called her “a worthless nutsac” in the spirit of jb\_farley? Would that have accomplished anything? Seriously, do you read the posts or just print them off and use the paper to roll a joint? I’m really curious here. > [@](#): > > Now be quiet and keep trying to see how long you can ride phil’s tip for. Oh yes, you’ve figured it all out. I really plan to kill his wife and drug him, then marry him (with all the DC dopers as wedding guests, drugged and bound as well) and make him my love slave. Way to conquer that one. Could it be that I’m defending him because I thought the accusations against him were stupid? Because I think they are wrong? No, I must be trying to get all in his pants. I’m simply joining the Phil Fab Club. Nice logic there buddy. Way to deduce. You know, not every poster that agrees with another is simply in it for the brownie points. > [@](#): > > p.s.- oops! I ended the post proper with a dangled preposition. I hope Nacho4Sara doesn’t notice and write a long nonsensical series of posts about that! I have never chastised anyone because of their grammar, and never will. But if making a post that is sensical involves childish name-calling and pointless drivel than I will continue to be nonsensical, thank you very much. If those two sentences aren’t the most ironical, ridiculous vomit I have ever read. Sheesh. Now, were you going to address my points or just continue to pound your head against the keyboard and see what comes out? Did Beth ask for Homer’s opinion? Did she ask for him to e-mail her a ten page letter listing her psychological maladies? Was “loser” in any way comparable to Homer’s attack on Phil? How is it that a poster is not allowed to bring up inconsistencies with another poster’s posts, when that is all we have to judge each other by? Are you so adverse to seeing actual logic used in the Pit that you can’t formulate an applicable argument against other posters? Just wondering. Now that Phil’s apologized for his method of attacking Homer, and everyone is all peachy keen and super cool, I will bow out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/92 "2001-01-03T11:31:44Z")
Oh boy, everyone’s happy again!! Now, who do we pick on next? … Why are you all looking at me like that? ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/93 "2001-01-03T14:27:02Z")
jb: “puberific lice?” Hmmm, you have a future as a critic, young man. Also, its a grreat name for a rock band! ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/94 "2001-01-03T16:01:21Z")
Just thought I would pop in and remind nacho to breath before she turns any more blue. On second thought . . . . Just FYI nacho, there happens to be a very kind, well respected SDMB reg who has a child that is mentally retarded. She has mentioned more than once how much it hurts to see the term used as an insult. I am almost certain that she isn’t alone in this thinking. I really don’t give a flying fuck whether or not the things you say are PC, but don’t blame others for seeing you as a hysterical, overreacting, insensitive twat. ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/95 "2001-01-03T16:47:54Z")
Just thought I would pop in and remind nacho to breath before she turns any more blue. On second thought . . . . Just FYI nacho, there happens to be a very kind, well respected SDMB reg who has a child that is mentally retarded. She has mentioned more than once how much it hurts to see the term used as an insult. I am almost certain that she isn’t alone in this thinking. I really don’t give a flying fuck whether or not the things you say are PC, but don’t blame others for seeing you as a hysterical, overreacting, insensitive twat. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/96 "2001-01-03T16:55:35Z")
To me, saying, “retarded”, “mental”, etc etc…is no different from saying someone is a “fag”, or that’s so “gay” as an insult. \*BTW, someone recently tried to insult me-not here-by asking if I am attention deficit. Guess what-I AM!!! HA!) ADHD…and proud! ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/97 "2001-01-03T17:26:14Z")
I can’t believe that this thread is still alive… ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/98 "2001-01-03T17:42:49Z")
Hell, **Krispy** , I can’t believe _you’re_ still alive. Long time no read, man. How’s things? ---
**Author:** ![Krispy\_Original](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ec9cab/32.png) [@Krispy\_Original](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Krispy_Original)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/99 "2001-01-03T18:01:55Z")
Things are still so-so…Thanks for asking though…ya sourcream puff ya… ---
**Author:** ![Nacho4Sara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Nacho4Sara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nacho4Sara)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2001, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695/100 "2001-01-03T19:15:42Z")
I apologize wholeheartedly to anyone I unintentionally insulted when I asked Guinastasia is she was retarded. I didn’t mean to step on anyone’s toes, or hurt anyone’s feelings. I was angry, and my insensitivity and obvious "twat"iness were not on purpose but rather by accident. As I said before, now that everyone’s all happy and peace has once again swallowed the Pit, I won’t be posting to this thread anymore. I defended Phil; I will defend anyone I think is being unfairly criticized, but this thread is long past its expiration date. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pldennison-who-the-hell-pissed-in-your-cheerios/47695.md?page=6)