# Please disabuse me of the fear that a Trump hereditary monarchy is being planned **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 8, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921 "2024-11-08T12:25:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![deneen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deneen/32/17713_2.png) [@deneen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deneen)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/1 "2024-11-08T12:25:46Z")
So Trump has five children, ten grandchildren. Most of his children and their spouses have been placed into positions of power, or are poised to be. His DIL co-chairs the RNC, for Pete’s sake. I have this weird fear (I hope to God it’s weird) that the Trump family, with their outrageous egos and power hunger, have a plan to simply extend Trump’s reign by succeeding him with various family members… I picture them at Mar-a-Lago, laughing loudly, clinking glasses, to the forever Trump sovereignty. It’s no use saying that saner minds will prevail… it’s quite apparent that the majority of the electorate will do/excuse/overlook anything that Trump tells them to. Is this fear so outrageous? (Mostly hoping to be told off, that of course it isn’t, so that I can maybe get a wink of sleep) ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/2 "2024-11-08T12:31:28Z")
Let’s be realistic here. Tiffany and Eric will never form part of his inner circle. ---
**Author:** ![dolphinboy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dolphinboy/32/330_2.png) [@dolphinboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dolphinboy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/3 "2024-11-08T12:50:08Z")
Don Jr. looks like he might become interested at some point, but he is nothing like his father. While Trump did get financial support from his dad in the early days, most still consider him a self-made billionaire. Don Jr., on the other hand, is nothing like his dad, at least at this point, and I think would have to make his mark somewhere before he would be seriously considered presidential worthy. I don’t think you can really just buy yourself into the White House, although Trump has come pretty close to doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/4 "2024-11-08T12:52:02Z")
Trump doesn’t care about his children, apart from Ivanka and then only in a creepy way. His relationship with them, like his relationship with everyone else, is purely transactional. He’s not planning a dynasty. What he wants is to be adored while alive and after he dies. If his kids end up drunken failures, that’ll just highlight his awesomeness even further. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/5 "2024-11-08T13:18:45Z")
Yes, this. He’s ironically _too_ selfish and narcissistic to create a dynasty; his children are not _him,_ and therefore are unimportant. If Trump could make an extra dollar at the price of destroying the universe _one second_ after his death he’d take it and consider it an infinite profit, since that’s exchanging something of worth for something worthless. An infinite exchange rate. Once he’s dead, the only thing that has ever held any importance whatsoever in the entire history of the universe will be gone as far as he’s concerned; the universe will have already fulfilled its purpose and hold no further meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/6 "2024-11-08T13:41:17Z")
I agree with the previous two posts. On top of his disdain for his children, planning a hereditary dynasty requires rational acknowledgement of one’s mortality, since it’s fundamentally about guiding what happens when one is gone, and I think Trump is so pathologically self-centered that he can’t imagine a world without himself in it. ETA: His _minions,_ now, _they_ may see the Trump name as the ticket to undying power, and may be making plans to elevate the kids and ride them as far as they’ll go. But cults of personality have a way of evaporating when the subject is gone, so I’d expect a self-destructive knife fight on the Right within a couple of years of the Orange God’s demise. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/7 "2024-11-08T13:46:54Z")
Trump himself may not be planning this, for all the reasons discussed above, but I have little doubt his slack-jawed spawn are thinking about how to do it. As mentioned, they have never accomplished anything that didn’t involve riding daddy’s coattails, so this will just be more of the same. And there are MAGAts out there who want this. Back in 2020, there was a meme going around that plotted out Trump family elections as far out as Barron getting elected after he turns 35. So Jr, Eric and the rest will have at least a few hangers-on to help they try. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/8 "2024-11-08T14:19:08Z")
I heartily agree that Trump would never plan a dynasty, because he simply does not care what happens to any one after he dies However, I have ranted about Trump shredding the Constitution, destroying the government and declaring himself dicator for life. I continue to see this as very likely. The only counter argument that cannot be dismissed out of hand is ‘the military will not go along with it- even though Trump is commander in chief…’ Accepting that argument as proof it cannot happen requires signicantly more faith in human nature than I have. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/9 "2024-11-08T14:28:25Z")
> [@deneen](#): > > I have this weird fear (I hope to God it’s weird) that the Trump family, with their outrageous egos and power hunger, have a plan to simply extend Trump’s reign by succeeding him with various family members… The worry online is about Vance, not Trump. The theory goes that the powers that be behind the scenes will ensure that Vance takes over as president within the next two years. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/10 "2024-11-08T14:30:52Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The worry online is about Vance, not Trump. The theory goes that the powers that be behind the scenes will ensure that Vance takes over as president within the next two years. I doubt they’ll have to actually _do_ much, Trump is blatantly falling apart. ---
**Author:** ![Yodalicious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yodalicious/32/8195_2.png) [@Yodalicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yodalicious)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/11 "2024-11-08T14:50:09Z")
Along these same lines, I feel like there is a 1st amendment argument against presidential term limits. I’m not sure if I can explain it well, but it seems to me POTUS is the “voice” of those who elected him, and two terms limits his ability to use that voice (please tell me I’m wrong, or maybe that argument belongs in GD). I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump or someone in his circle tries to get 22nd overturned. I didn’t vote for Mango Mussolini, and am not in favor of this in any way. I’m just saying he may try something like this to stay in office forever, and extend his dynasty through his family. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/12 "2024-11-08T15:03:55Z")
> [@Yodalicious](#): > > Along these same lines, I feel like there is a 1st amendment argument against presidential term limits. I’m not sure if I can explain it well, but it seems to me POTUS is the “voice” of those who elected him, and two terms limits his ability to use that voice (please tell me I’m wrong, or maybe that argument belongs in GD). “The President” will continue to have that voice. Who is holding that role at any given moment is determined by other factors. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/13 "2024-11-08T15:12:03Z")
When Trump dies, there’s going to be the same scrambling for his power like the [Diadochi at Alexander’s death.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diadochi) And the power will be gone anyway - at least 50% of Trumpers will give up on politics when he’s dead - none of his potential successors have any chance of grabbing that power base anywhere near intact. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/14 "2024-11-08T15:17:52Z")
> [@Yodalicious](#): > > Along these same lines, I feel like there is a 1st amendment argument against presidential term limits. I think it’s safe to say that anything in the constitution is inherently constitutional, and the two term limit for the President is in the constitution. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/15 "2024-11-08T15:23:02Z")
AFAIK, what is and is not Constitutional is decided by the Supreme Court. The Republicans blocked Obama’s nominees to the Supreme Court from being seated, Trump, and the party he reshaped to exist to serve only him, seated justices who also exist to serve only Trump. They will always rule anything Trump does is Constitutional, no matter how blatantly it violates the Constitution. ---
**Author:** ![FurloeRoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@FurloeRoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FurloeRoth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/16 "2024-11-08T18:18:12Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The worry online is about Vance, not Trump. The theory goes that the powers that be behind the scenes will ensure that Vance takes over as president within the next two years. So a conspiracy theory? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/17 "2024-11-08T18:18:54Z")
Just noticing the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/18 "2024-11-08T19:49:43Z")
Trump is making a good start at this. He is now basically immune from all criminal charges against him: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/wFEo9YJjGA0/maxresdefault.jpg "Trump Is Never Going to Jail.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFEo9YJjGA0) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/19 "2024-11-08T19:54:47Z")
I keep hearing how Trump will be allowed to disregard the Constitution to do _X_. Someone who spouts that, please explain exactly how it will be allowed. Start with how 38 states will ratify the amendment to allow Trump to allow _X_. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/20 "2024-11-08T19:57:43Z")
It doesn’t _matter._ He can and will simply ignore the law. The Constitution isn’t some magical binding spell, it can’t stop anyone or anything without somebody to enforce it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921.md?page=2)