# Please disabuse me of the fear that a Trump hereditary monarchy is being planned **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 8, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921 "2024-11-08T12:25:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/21 "2024-11-08T20:00:30Z")
Thank you for saying exactly what I would have said, and in less words too. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/22 "2024-11-08T20:01:13Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > It doesn’t _matter._ He can and will simply ignore the law. So explain to me how that works. How everyone goes along with it. Who exactly he shoots in the face to hold power. Because without a description of a reasonable plan, all of this Trump will XXXXX is bullshit paranoia. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/23 "2024-11-08T20:02:53Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So explain to me how that works. How everyone goes along with it. The people in power will be his fellow Republicans. The Democrats won’t be able to do anything but watch, assuming he doesn’t just have them killed. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/24 "2024-11-08T20:03:06Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Start with how 38 states will ratify the amendment to allow Trump to allow _X_. “[Don’t Quote Laws to Men With Swords](https://patrickwyman.substack.com/p/dont-quote-laws-to-men-with-swords)” You’re thinking, “There’s no way he can do that under the rules!”, but the thing is, the rules aren’t going to apply, not very strongly, anyways. When the people charged with enforcing the laws agree with him, they’ll let him get away with it, at least for a little while. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/25 "2024-11-08T20:08:52Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I doubt they’ll have to actually _do_ much, Trump is blatantly falling apart. I agree with this. I’m not all that worried about Trump himself right now; he’s too stupid, lazy, and progressively more demented to even bother trying to turn his incoherent rhetoric into action. Vance and his allies are the ones I’m scared of. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/26 "2024-11-08T20:10:19Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The people in power will be his fellow Republicans. The Democrats won’t be able to do anything but watch, assuming he doesn’t just have them killed. So step through the plan. Be specific. What laws gets passed and upheld. How do they avoid a Democratic filibuster in the Senate? Or is this just crying the sky is falling. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/27 "2024-11-08T20:11:20Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So step through the plan. Be specific. What laws gets passed and upheld. How do they avoid a Democratic filibuster in the Senate? “We don’t care, you can’t stop us, laws don’t matter.” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/28 "2024-11-08T20:12:00Z")
Give us an example and we’ll tell you how Trump will ignore whatever guardrails there may be in place to prevent him. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/29 "2024-11-08T20:13:31Z")
There _are_ no “guardrails” anymore. I can’t give you an example of something that doesn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/30 "2024-11-08T20:14:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > “We don’t care, you can’t stop us, laws don’t matter.” So you can’t realistically tell us how it would happen? Not a problem. There’s like 50 other posts like yours here added to the IRL comments I hear from Democrats. I file them under “I’ll worry about it when it happens.” which is as good as deleting them. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/31 "2024-11-08T20:17:48Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So you can’t realistically tell us how it would happen? They’d just _do_ it, as easily as they’d scratch their nose. You seem to think there’s some sort of obstacle they’d have to get around but there isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/32 "2024-11-08T20:18:22Z")
Trumpers won’t just give up. They will become Vancers to honor Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/33 "2024-11-08T20:18:43Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > How do they avoid a Democratic filibuster in the Senate? Filibusters exist because of the rules of the Senate. The GOP has a majority, and can re-write those rules as they see fit. Filibuster today, when they like it, no filibuster tomorrow, when they want to ram something through. No one has the power to stop this, other than the ones who will be doing it in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/34 "2024-11-08T20:19:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They will become Vancers to honor Trump. I look forward to them carrying around couches to fuck, to “own the libs”. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/35 "2024-11-08T20:25:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Trumpers won’t just give up. They will become Vancers to honor Trump. I agree with the former; I don’t think I agree with the latter. Trump’s ego won’t let him formally anoint an heir apparent, someone whom his followers will naturally gravitate to when he’s gone, because he directed them to do so. And he certainly hasn’t indicated that any of his kids have that role, even though Don Jr. is the most visible of them these days, as a mouthpiece for his father. I anticipate a brutal knife fight within the GOP when Trump is either dead or incapacitated, to grab the ring and take control of the MAGA movement. Despite being VP, I don’t think that Vance can pull that off. Not only is he a windsock, but he’s not particularly charismatic as a speaker. But, then again, I could well be wrong; lord knows I’ve been wrong about enough other things in the last 8 years. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/36 "2024-11-08T20:27:27Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > They’d just _do_ it, as easily as they’d scratch their nose. You seem to think there’s some sort of obstacle they’d have to get around but there isn’t. So you’re confirming you have no clue how the mechanics of that would happen. One day Trump puts on his Thanos glove, snaps his finger and it magically happens. I suppose you’re basing your theory on the success he had on January 6, 2021 when he got the electoral vote stopped and declared himself re-elected and everyone went along with it and he single-handedly threw out the Presidential Term-Limit so that now he’ll be on his third term. Wake me when it actually happens. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/37 "2024-11-08T20:30:00Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So you’re confirming you have no clue how the mechanics of that would happen. _What_ “mechanics”? He (or more likely Vance) just _does_ it, and that’s that. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/38 "2024-11-08T20:30:20Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Despite being VP, I don’t think that Vance can pull that off. Not only is he a windsock, but he’s not particularly charismatic as a speaker. He’s also the most visible candidate for picking up Trump’s mantle, which means everyone lurking in the shadows know that he needs to go for their own ambition to succeed. He’ll have been stabbed more times than Julius Caesar by the time it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/39 "2024-11-08T20:32:35Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > _What_ “mechanics”? He (or more likely Vance) just _does_ it, and that’s that. Yes yes I understand. Exactly like 1/6/21 With his Thanos glove. It just happens And everyone cheered. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/40 "2024-11-08T20:35:01Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Exactly like 1/6/21 This isn’t then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921.md?page=3)