# Please disabuse me of the fear that a Trump hereditary monarchy is being planned **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 8, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921 "2024-11-08T12:25:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/121 "2024-11-08T23:17:24Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Hopefully, you understand when I tell you that I’ve reconsidered asking you to speak at my nephew’s high school graduation, I’m glad I have no children, I’ll say that. The future of the young will be a hellish one. Everywhere, not just here. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/122 "2024-11-08T23:18:03Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > He says a lot - border wall anyone? I say he can’t pull it off. In 2016 it was kind of a surprise and Trump was thwarted by the government around him. Career government workers who knew he could not do the things he wanted (because laws). One item in Project 2025 is to fire all those people and replace them with Trump loyalists. Yes men/women. You say he can’t do that? I say the Supreme Court gave him immunity to do whatever he wants. Who will stop him this time? Congress which is also majority republican? This is a golden opportunity to grab power and they mean to do so. They have literally planned for it and shared that plan. ETA: And nothing Trump does suggests the slightest bit of restraint in his pursuit of power. Not a smidge. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/123 "2024-11-08T23:18:05Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Many people I have talked to insist that is was not an insurrecton because it was small, poorly planned, and doomed to fail. If something being poorly planned and doomed to fail means it didn’t happen, then Trump’s entire first term was not a presidency. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/124 "2024-11-08T23:20:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Nobody said that. Maybe not “in this thread,” plenty are on this board in general. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > I’m glad I have no children, I’ll say that. So am I, because I’d honestly be a bit worried about them given your current mood. Hopefully you’ll get some sleep soon. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/125 "2024-11-08T23:22:27Z")
You know “past” and “future” are different things, right? What January 6 taught Trump and his circle was where the guardrails were. And they have been busily weakening and removing them - and planning to do much, much more - ever since then. The next attempt to seize more power than allowed will be more successful. The comparison to the Beer Hall Putsch is not inapt. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/126 "2024-11-08T23:23:15Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Maybe not “in this thread,” plenty are on this board in general. I’d love some examples. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/127 "2024-11-08T23:23:17Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Maybe not “in this thread,” plenty are on this board in general. Once again, if anybody said that in a post on the SDMB, I missed it. Could you please quote the whole post or provide a link? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/128 "2024-11-08T23:25:49Z")
Because even if I grant that you are correct (I’m not saying you are but assuming the hypothetical) the ultimate out for my position is that Trump and his cronies are idiots. They can’t pull it off even if all of the political stars align. You know those comedies where the bank robbers trip over themselves, accidently activate the alarm and open the safe only to find out Doofus wrote down the wrong day and all of the money was moved out the day before? That’s the Trump Administration. And let’s also not forget he’s a lame duck as soon as he takes office. Well assuming he doesn’t declare the 22nd Amendment repealed by fiat and everyone says, “Sounds good to me.” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/129 "2024-11-08T23:27:13Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > …the ultimate out for my position is that Trump and his cronies are idiots. The Heritage Foundation wrote Project 2025 and they are not idiots. The power is behind the throne this time. Trump is a useful idiot. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > And let’s also not forget he’s a lame duck as soon as he takes office. Well assuming he doesn’t declare the 22nd Amendment repealed by fiat and everyone says, “Sounds good to me.” I would not be surprised if two years and one day into Trump’s presidency Vance invokes the 25th amendment giving him a possible ten years in office. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/130 "2024-11-08T23:29:09Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > One item in Project 2025 is to fire all those people and replace them with Trump loyalists. Which “those people” and their unions will sue over, and which will take years to resolve, by which time the Republicans will likely no longer have a congressional majority. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/131 "2024-11-08T23:29:42Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The comparison to the Beer Hall Putsch is not inapt. I’ve said this in a post before. I cannot find that post to quote it or copy and paste it. So here it is again- When Trump first ran for President and began to gain popularity and momentum, my mom’s friend Helga said ‘His rise to power reminds me of Hitler’ Normally, I would have objected. Such a statement is usually hyperbole unsupported by facts or evidence. Helg and her husband lived in Gemany during Hitler’s rise to power. Being Jews, they ended up in the camps with numbers tattooed on their arms. Despit her age, Helga still visited schools giving lectures on prejudice in general and the Holocaust in particuler. Coming from her. those words were terrifying. They are somehow even more terrifying now. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/132 "2024-11-08T23:30:21Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I would not be surprised if two years and one day into Trump’s presidency Vance invokes the 25th amendment giving him a possible ten years in office. Or just keeps him around as an idol for the cultists while “interpreting” his senile mumblings however he likes. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/133 "2024-11-08T23:33:26Z")
Republicans have been union-busting for years and have been successful. Republicans have been stacking the courts and slow-rolling dem nominations. Now they have control of the government they will fast-track rep nominations to the court which will come from the Federalist Society (hard right leaning and while assholes not stupid). It is now likely Alito and Thomas will step down while Trump is president and he will put two arch-conservatives in who are young and will be there for many decades. This is their chance to clinch power. Do not doubt they won’t do their level best to grab as much as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/134 "2024-11-08T23:33:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I would not be surprised if two years and one day into Trump’s presidency Vance invokes the 25th amendment giving him a possible ten years in office. Which Trump, under the 25th amendment, can dismiss by writing a note to Congress that says “nuh-uh”. Is the same Congress that you claim will be a meek, obeiscent rubber stamp for Trump’s every whim suddenly going to vote two-to-one to depose him? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/135 "2024-11-08T23:34:45Z")
Oooh, wait, I think I misread the post that was being replied to. Still kinda strikes me as metaphorical hyperbole, though. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/136 "2024-11-08T23:35:21Z")
I need to step away from the web for a bit. I need to call my insurance company and get a new therapist. I think every poster here can agree that I really need a therapist, I hope to be back soon. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/137 "2024-11-08T23:48:05Z")
In non political news- Both the member service number and the mental health nunber on the back of my card get me an automated message that they are closed for the weekend and to call back during normal business hours. I work 8:30 to 5. I get two 15 minute breaks and 30 minutes for lunch. This means I will need to take several hours off to get this done. This time in which I am absent from work will get me half a point. If you reach ten points you are automatically fired. I don’t know how many points I currently have. Good times. I apologize for the interruption. Please continue the debate in just how badly we are screwed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2024, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/138 "2024-11-09T00:02:53Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > I think every poster here can agree that I really need a therapist, You’re not alone in this. At the very least, find someone who can give you a hug. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/139 "2024-11-09T00:09:42Z")
Err…Vance invokes it (with cabinet support). Congress can accept it or vote on it if Trump objects. Even with Trump objecting they could decide the money is on Vance and go that way. Nothing about this congress suggests anything other than self interest. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921/140 "2024-11-09T00:12:18Z")
> **['Zero chance': Ex-ICE leader says Trump can't get 'anywhere close to where he...](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mass-deportations-zero-chance/)** > > An immigration law expert warned that Donald Trump cannot carry out his sweeping plans to deport millions of people without breaking the law.The president-elect has pledged to strengthen border security and carry out mass deportations, which would... > [@](#): > > “Even setting aside his resource issues – not only do you need the officers, detention beds, removal flights, those kind of issues – the biggest problem, the biggest impediment of carrying this out is the immigration courts,” said Sandweg, now a partner of Nixon Peabody leading the Cross-Border Risks team. “The Supreme Court has long said that before individuals are deported, they’re entitled to a full and fair hearing. That means a hearing before an immigration judge where they can support defenses to deportation. Sometimes those defenses are, ‘I am a U.S. citizen,’ other times there are certain benefits under immigration law that allow some migrants to stay in this country, of course, asylum being one of the biggest ones. The problem is, those courts are tremendously backlogged. Congress has never really funded the courts to keep up with the volume.” > > “So now Stephen Miller and others are looking at the situation,” Sandweg continued. “They know that is the problem. Really quickly, during the last administration, there was no lack of political will to deport as many people as possible, it’s not like this is an entirely new concept, yet the Trump administration’s numbers were below those of the Obama administration when it came to deportations. The reason why was backlogs in the immigration court.” These are experts on immigration saying that it’s simply impossible from a logistical or legal standpoint for Trump to achieve anywhere near the kind of grandiose promises he made to get elected. These aren’t problems that be handwaved away. The first Trump admin was full of infighting, conflicting egos, power struggles, scattershot policy changes, legal squabbles, general incompetence, constant turnover,and Trump’s complete inability to stay focused. There’s absolutely no reason to believe that this time he’ll surrounded himself with hyper-competent people who will be laser-focused and 100% dedicated to carrying out his every decree. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-disabuse-me-of-the-fear-that-a-trump-hereditary-monarchy-is-being-planned/1009921.md?page=8)