Please explain the plot of Casino Royal and Quantum of Solace

Craig’s Bond is the only one I’ve ever found entertaining, and I have no interest in the source material.

What got me about the reboots, and was closer to the books than the other movies is: He didn’t have a lot of toys. (Well, other than the phone…and the defibrilator in the glovebox…you know…for poisoning.)

But I’m finding that Bond moves sure don’t age well. I remember LOVING the Brosnan era. It just felt so right…and now…man, there’s some cornball right there! (Except for Onatopp.)

Hey, better to have a glovebox defibrilator and not need it than need a glovebox defibrillator and not have it.
But you’re right - I figure the car with a cloaking device from Die Another Day was pretty much the low point of gadget plausibility.

Bond and Vespa are allowed to survive because they each hold part of the code to release the money.

The boyfriend was a member of Quantum who seduces government operatives (women) and then does the kidnapped thing to get them to betray their govt. There is a scene where this is explained near the end.

I liked Casino Royale. I disliked Quantum Of Solace, particularly for the exploding hotel and weak plot.

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Yeah, what was the deal with that? Did the hydrogen people know that their safe clean alternative-energy heating systems and vehicles were going to displayed in a Hindenbergian look-crossways-at-it-and-blammo setting? That’d piss me right off. It’s like BMW supplying all the cars and the movie being full of characters crashing after a steering-system failure.

I fear this movie may have slowed the adoption of hydrogen fuel-cells by several years.

You’re right. he should have made a movie like 'Moonraker".

Hey Boss, you know that Luxury Hotel you wanna build out in the middle of the DESERT? The one with no utilities going to it? The one that would be AWESOME with the Eco-tourists if it were SOLAR powered?

Yeah, can’t do it. Our Money Laundering scheme only works out if we use my Brother’s construction company, and they want to use hydrogen fuel cells.

Where do we get the Hydrogen? Well, that’s shipped in using my Cousin’s Holding Company.

ETA: “Quantum Construction and Smersh Hydrogen”

There is no Bond but Connery. The rest are posers, and Craig is just horrible. Worse than Lazenby. Worse than Moore, for Ghu’s sake.

I have to disagree. He comes closest to capturing the character of Bond from the novels. Yeah, bad writing, etc., but who cares if boobs and bombs are involved?

Casino Royale did follow the plot of the novel fairly closely. Minor nitpick - the change from baccarat to hold-em was just plain lame. Baccarat is a much classier game.

Quantam of Solace is whole cloth, following in the modern Bond tradition of using a Fleming title and developing a movie that bears no resemblance whatsoever to the story. Both of these movies are a “backstory” sort of thing, where we get to see Bond become Bond; his rough edges get smoothed off and he becomes more “swave and deboner”. He’s still the hard-ass secret agent, though.

I don’t think the franchise is dying yet. I had my doubts about Craig, but I’m solidly in his camp now. The man’s a damn good actor.

I agree on this, totally. Bond would absolutely play Baccarat, but I’m sure they dumbed it down for the stupidos in the world.

I am not fond of him as Bond, but I think he is a wonderful actor, yes.

I believe we are the only two people in the world who agree on that.

THREE! Me too!

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And I. Texas Hold-Em was just pandering to fashion.

And not even good pandering. For all the lip-service about playing the man, not the cards and such, Bond’s victory doesn’t depend on superior skills at bluffing or reading his opponent’s bluff, but by fluking his way into a straight flush.

And he splashes the pot, which just annoys me.

I like how they felt so uncertain that Hold’em was dumbing it down enough, they even started explaining the rules in the middle of a play. Ye gods, those people don’t have a lot of faith in humanity, do they?

There is no bluffing in Baccarat, right?

I think they went with poker so that Bond could be seen using his “I know his tells” skills.

And note that everyone had a ridiculously good hand - IIRC a full house was one of the worst hands held. Most amazing round of poker ever.

I liked Brosnan (and even Dalton) as Bond but Ye Gods the scripts were terrible. The idea of Bond getting captured and tortured was interesting (until you discover the use of scorpions, which is idiotic) but the dialogue in Die Another Day was so bad it made me want to punch everyone involved in the film. And to punch Madonna twice, just because.

I think you have a hole card the other guys can’t see.

Here’s one more