# Please help ID this Car **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 23, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137 "2015-12-23T00:21:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/1 "2015-12-23T00:21:07Z")
Picture at [http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/file.php?1,file=33906,filename=DRGWchamastatoninsnow950.jpg](http://ngdiscussion.net/phorum/file.php?1,file=33906,filename=DRGWchamastatoninsnow950.jpg) (Stupid borrowed laptop won’t let me post links in the normal manner for some reason) Notice the branding on the rear panel, just ahead of the taillight. I know I’ve seen that stylized “S” somewhere, but can’t put my finger on it. The picture was taken December 1961; I’d put the model year as late 1950’s. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/2 "2015-12-23T00:24:32Z")
I get a picture of train locomotives with a note that says “permission denied; access can only be made from this website”. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/3 "2015-12-23T00:31:34Z")
Uh-Oh. Not sure how to fix that. I could link directly to the discussion thread on another forum where it’s posted, but not sure that’s allowed… ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/4 "2015-12-23T01:30:22Z")
Just link to the thread and tell us the post number. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/5 "2015-12-23T01:34:00Z")
I rehosted it here… [Mysterious car photo](http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x355/andykeck/1a650c813525b036574a94d3bd904a35.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/6 "2015-12-23T01:43:57Z")
Ya’ll need to learn how to drag 'n drop. I think it’s a Ford Fairlane. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/7 "2015-12-23T01:50:41Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Ya’ll need to learn how to drag 'n drop. I think it’s a Ford Fairlane. I disagree, but I don’t have a better answer yet. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/8 "2015-12-23T02:12:28Z")
Thanks, **Pork Rind** for fixing the pic. And I agree, it’s not a Fairlane, they had a more steeply-pitched windshield and pointier tail fins. Someone on the other board said “Chrysler product”, but can’t find a match there either. I’m still fixated on the logo on the rear fender; I enlarged the pic as much as I could, it’s definitely an “S” followed by seven or so letters. Buick Special came to mind, but that’s not it either. ---
**Author:** ![phxjcc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8491ac/32.png) [@phxjcc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phxjcc)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/9 "2015-12-23T02:18:07Z")
1960 studebaker hawk ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/10 "2015-12-23T02:18:42Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > Thanks, **Pork Rind** for fixing the pic. And I agree, it’s not a Fairlane, they had a more steeply-pitched windshield and pointier tail fins. Someone on the other board said “Chrysler product”, but can’t find a match there either. I’m still fixated on the logo on the rear fender; I enlarged the pic as much as I could, it’s definitely an “S” followed by seven or so letters. Buick Special came to mind, but that’s not it either. The key here is the rounded tail fins. I _know_ I know what car this is. I’m googling like an MF’er, but it’s not a model that is popular with the restoration crew, so it’s slow going. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/11 "2015-12-23T02:21:08Z")
> [@phxjcc](#): > > 1960 studebaker hawk Nope. the '60 Hawk has pointy tail fins. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/12 "2015-12-23T02:24:59Z")
> [@Pork\_Rind](#): > > The key here is the rounded tail fins. I _know_ I know what car this is. I’m googling like an MF’er, but it’s not a model that is popular with the restoration crew, so it’s slow going. you and I have been doing the same thing. I’ve given up. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/13 "2015-12-23T02:35:26Z")
It looks very similar to a 1954 Ford Crestline Skyliner - [http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/161686/161686\_Side\_Profile\_Web.JPG](http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/161686/161686_Side_Profile_Web.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![urban1a](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e47c2d/32.png) [@urban1a](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urban1a)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/14 "2015-12-23T02:35:49Z")
The model name is on the rear fender and starts with an ‘S’. I am with the person on the other board which believes it is a Chrysler product. Doesn’t help much though. Bob ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/15 "2015-12-23T02:39:20Z")
> [@urban1a](#): > > The model name is on the rear fender and starts with an ‘S’. I am with the person on the other board which believes it is a Chrysler product. Doesn’t help much though. > > Bob I thought so too, but I’ve looked through all of the Chrysler, Plymouth, Dodge, Imperial, and DeSoto models I could. it’s also possible this might have been a Canada-specific model. ---
**Author:** ![SanDiegoTim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@SanDiegoTim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanDiegoTim)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/16 "2015-12-23T02:41:48Z")
Looks a MOPAR product. Early/mid sixties Dodge, perhaps. Hard to tell. ---
**Author:** ![bb49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b38774/32.png) [@bb49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bb49)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/17 "2015-12-23T02:43:34Z")
The first name to pop into my head is Desoto. Now I’ll try googling it. ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/18 "2015-12-23T02:44:44Z")
1960 Dodge Pioneer coupe. Details coming in a second. Points of similarity: 1. Kink in A-pillar 2. Chrome cap on rounded tail fin 3. Round tail light with prominent badge on curve 4. Same odd seam on rear window surround [Example 1](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QQVOBKyimSI/VPAk4tLX3RI/AAAAAAAAB3s/57Bj-5IzbE4/s1600/1960%2BDodge%2BDart%2BPioneer.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![phxjcc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8491ac/32.png) [@phxjcc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phxjcc)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/19 "2015-12-23T02:45:44Z")
1960 dodge seneca ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137/20 "2015-12-23T02:49:00Z")
> [@phxjcc](#): > > 1960 dodge seneca Interesting. The Dodge Seneca and Pioneer appear to be two different names for the same car. edit: found this > [@](#): > > The Seneca was the base level available for the 1960 Dart, the Pioneer was the intermediate and the Phoenix was the top trim level. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-id-this-car/741137.md?page=2)