# Please help with some more items for my book!

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [May 18, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827 "2009-05-18T05:41:33Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 8\
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**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/21 "2009-05-23T00:29:35Z")

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The use of “Indians” to refer to Native Americans fits the theme.

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**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/22 "2009-05-23T00:45:57Z")

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Your article on Denim could go with an article explaining how jeans come from Genoa.

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/23 "2009-05-23T23:55:25Z")

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> [@Tangent](#):
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> From this comment and noting your location, I assume you’ve got the Australian Shepherd dog on your list?

I do, although it’s virtually unknown here. And it does turn out to have a remote if somewhat conjectural connection with Australia.

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/24 "2009-05-23T23:58:54Z")

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> [@Peter\_Morris](#):
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> Your article on Denim could go with an article explaining how jeans come from Genoa.

See post #3 🙂 But thanks, all suggestions welcome!

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/25 "2009-05-24T00:06:31Z")

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> [@Sampiro](#):
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> Japanese steakhouses- started in America (like pizza and chop suey), though later became popular in Japan I understand
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> Spanish Influenza- not too lighthearted, but also almost certainly not Spanish in origin
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> Irish potatoes- introducted to Ireland from the New World
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> Hamburger sandwich- _nothing_ like the Hamburg originals

I don’t think I’m going to include commercial names; or those dreadful Outback steakhouses would be in too. BTW pizza is definitely Italian in origin, but as a popular fast food American of course; perhaps that’s what you mean?

Got the Spanish flu; amazingly to me that IS US in origin!

I haven’t really seen standard potatoes referred to as Irish potatoes; is that to distinguish them from say sweet potatoes? Or is it a variety of the standard potato?

Hamburgers are direct descendants from hamburger steak, although as you say the form of serving has changed mightily. I had ruled that out, but might re-consider if I run short of material.  
Thanks!

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/26 "2009-05-24T00:08:06Z")

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> [@Darryl\_Lict](#):
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> Chinese checkers.

Got that, but yes that’s a really interesting one!

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/27 "2009-05-24T00:10:50Z")

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> [@Tangent](#):
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> The use of “Indians” to refer to Native Americans fits the theme.

It does, and at the moment I’m including that in the Indian Giver article. One aspect I could use help on though: I was under the impression that Columbus died still believing he’d reached India or at least the (east) Indies, but I read an aside in a book on language recently that he corrected his mistake after the first voyage, but it was too late and the original tag stuck. Does anyone have some more definitive source on that?

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-help-with-some-more-items-for-my-book/496827/28 "2009-05-24T00:16:55Z")

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> [@Peter\_Morris](#):
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> German measles, not from Germany, but from germaine

The first medico to describe it was German, and that’s the usual origin given. What’s your source for the “germaine” origin?

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> Hamburger doesn’t come from Hamburg, and isn’t made from ham.

Hamburger steak (ground beef served in a patty) is from Hamburg, but of course the current fast food version of it is quite removed from that.

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