# Please Indulge my Pitting of John McCain **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2015, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545 "2015-07-08T03:02:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/101 "2015-07-10T14:16:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > True, but he said it straight out, and with other NATO treaty members’ populaces not being too committed to the alliance, it’s important to say it explicitly. Saying it in Estonia was even better. > > So no, I’m not mad at the President for everything. Well, thank God you’re on the same page with Obama when it comes to Estonia. That’s certain to be a wedge issue in the next election! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/102 "2015-07-10T14:29:18Z")
I thought we were at war with Estonia. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/103 "2015-07-10T14:36:25Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > … > > He has actually turned into something rare today: An open and unapologetic warmonger. > > … You misspelled “Republican.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/104 "2015-07-10T14:36:26Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I thought we were at war with Estonia. Actually, they’re at war with us. But it’s just for all that rebuilding money. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/105 "2015-07-10T14:49:30Z")
Obama give Estonia potato, Latvia sad. Latvia declare war on Estonia for potato. Nobody cares. Latvia _really_ sad. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/106 "2015-07-10T14:51:44Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I thought we were at war with Estonia. We have always been at war with EastOnia. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/107 "2015-07-10T14:56:30Z")
Give us a hint, **addy**. Is this surrealist performance art? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/108 "2015-07-10T15:27:09Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Obama give Estonia potato, Latvia sad. Latvia declare war on Estonia for potato. Nobody cares. Latvia _really_ sad. I don’t know much about Latvia, but Estonia is actually a hub of high technology. Think of it as a more affordable Finland. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/109 "2015-07-10T15:41:36Z")
Don’t worry, when Obama said we’d defend Estonia, he meant with air strikes only. It’s the new, fashionable way to wage war! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/110 "2015-07-10T15:45:14Z")
An air-strike-only campaign can be effective against a _conventional_ opponent. Worked in the former Yugoslavia, worked in Libya. I presume we’re talking about air strikes against invading Russians in Estonia; plenty of reason to believe it would work there, too. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/111 "2015-07-10T15:46:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Don’t worry, when Obama said we’d defend Estonia, he meant with air strikes only. It’s the new, fashionable way to wage war! Not worried about Estonia, worried about you. Are you sure you’re getting enough fiber? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/112 "2015-07-10T16:16:20Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > An air-strike-only campaign can be effective against a _conventional_ opponent. Worked in the former Yugoslavia, worked in Libya. I presume we’re talking about air strikes against invading Russians in Estonia; plenty of reason to believe it would work there, too. Presumably, we’d be bombing Russia, not Estonia. I doubt that would “work”. Remember, the air strikes that “worked” in Yugoslavia were aimed at Serbia, the alleged aggressor. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/113 "2015-07-10T16:21:58Z")
True. But that was because Belgrade is only a few miles from Kosovo. In this hypothetical Estonia campaign we’d just be bombing Russian military assets _in_ Estonia. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/114 "2015-07-10T16:25:28Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > True. But that was because Belgrade is only a few miles from Kosovo. In this hypothetical Estonia campaign we’d just be bombing Russian military assets _in_ Estonia. Whatever you say, General Bright, sir! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/115 "2015-07-10T16:28:13Z")
I do not tolerate sarcasm or sardonicism in my army, soldier. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/116 "2015-07-10T16:31:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I do not tolerate sarcasm or sardonicism in my army, soldier. We’re Air Force, sir. But I’m sure the General knew that. Sir. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/117 "2015-07-10T16:35:25Z")
_You_ may be, private. I’m Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and I’m an Army man. ETA: fix that uniform. I didn’t even recognize it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/118 "2015-07-10T17:23:28Z")
It’s Estonian, sir. But made in China, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/119 "2015-07-10T17:25:51Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s the PIt. Get over it. And it’s entirely on topic to boot, since this is a pit thread for John McCain’s supposed warmongerishness. Clueless jackass. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2015, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545/120 "2015-07-10T17:34:50Z")
It’s definitely time for McCain to retire. He’s done enough to sever his country. After his disastrous presidential campaign, it would have been best if he had just faded into the sunset. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-indulge-my-pitting-of-john-mccain/724545.md?page=7)