# Please Join Me for the Pitting of LinusK **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722 "2015-07-20T20:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/501 "2015-11-05T17:49:06Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I doubt very much that Jack of Words is terribly concerned with the “quality” of discourse on SDMB as much as he is in love with the sound of his own voice and the hot air generated by the sheer volume of his rhetoric. > > He is accustomed to wearing people down with long winded commentary rather than succinct substance. That’s why he has so much trouble with responses like “rubbish”, “nonsense”, etc… Hard for him to respond to someone who’s not buying into his b.s. while also giving little purchase for rebuttal. Utter codswallop. No, can’t help it. I have the deepest sympathy for those who don’t love themselves. That said, perhaps you have good reason? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/502 "2015-11-05T17:54:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Learn the rules, crybaby. It’s perfectly legal in Great Debates to disparage the quality or correctness of another poster’s claims with terms such as “rubbish”, “nonsense”, “illogical”, “absurd”, etc. > > What’s not tolerated includes, among other things, (1) directly insulting another poster rather than their statements, and (2) accusing another poster of deliberate lying. > > You told another poster in so many words that he had deliberately misrepresented a claim and accused him of being deliberately deceitful, which earned your slimy ass a well-deserved moderator warning. No “flaw” anywhere in that proceeding. > > Now, if you don’t like the SDMB policies for thread moderation, you are free to take your marbles and go off in a snit to play in some other corner of the internet instead. But just because you don’t happen to like the policies doesn’t mean that the moderators’ implementation of the policies is “flawed”. Learn to comprehend. You know my opinion on the possible causes of misinterpretation. I’d bet both are at play in what passes for your mind. Learn some manners while you’re at it (and no, I don’t mean here - here you can let rip with your childish substitute for intelligent discussion, I meant when you engage in a ‘Great’ debate by ignoring anything that doesn’t suit you and imagining that petulant pernickety playground games show your ideology in a good light). ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/503 "2015-11-05T17:57:38Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Jesus, Jack, if we started handing out warnings for bad arguments, you wouldn’t have lasted for more than five posts on this board. > > Huh. Now that I put it like that, maybe there is something to this idea after all. > [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > […] Still think there’s something to it, you fatuous oaf? (I’m making the possibly unwarranted assumption that if you post it you can take it, and that when you moderate you’re above petty grudges, but who knows? […] Heh. Five bucks says that the next time a moderator has to smack **Jack** down for rulebreaking, he’s going to start whining that the mods have it in for him because he called **Miller** a “fatuous oaf” in this Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/504 "2015-11-05T17:57:57Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > Utter codswallop. Should have stopped there. > [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > No, can’t help it. I have the deepest sympathy for those who don’t love themselves. Self abuse doesn’t count, Jack. > [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > That said, perhaps you have good reason? Fortunately, I don’t need to. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/505 "2015-11-05T18:15:45Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > You know my opinion on the possible causes of misinterpretation. No, not really. But the point is that your opinion, despite your grossly inflated opinion of its importance, doesn’t make the rules around here. The rules around here are clearly stated, and you egregiously violated them. If you don’t like the rules then you can leave these boards so you won’t have to follow them. If you just continue to hang around here kvetching about how you don’t like the rules 'cuz you got smacked for breaking them, you’re going to get deservedly mocked for it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/506 "2015-11-05T18:23:05Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > I think you’ll find that my first five posts weren’t arguments at all, but I’m beginning to understand that there’s little interest round here in even the most basic of research before venturing an opinion. It’s post’s like these that make your choice of user name the funniest thing you’ll ever write here. It’s simply adorable that you actually think you’ve got some sort of skill with language, when what you’ve actually got is bloody-minded literalism and a congenital inability to grasp gradations of meaning. You’re good at grammar, which is a nice enough skill. But you’ve got absolutely no talent at communication. You continuously make statements that you later insist you never made: not, I suspect, because you’re dishonest (although I’m certainly not ruling that out) but because you seem to genuinely not understand what meaning is being conveyed by the words you use. This is certainly the case in the reverse, where you are fundamentally unable to correctly parse meaning out of other people’s words. Your last exchange with **Kimstu** was particularly precious in this regard - you know, the one where you went back through the thread for examples of misandrist posts, and were only able to demonstrate that you’ve confused a persecution complex with reading comprehension? I mean, [look at this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18831528&postcount=680) This is not the post of a competent reader. This is the post of a deluded, half-bright ideologue who is constitutionally incapable of not projecting his biases onto every thing he sees, no matter how transparently inappropriate the projection may be. Or, you know… a troll. But I have faith in you, **Jack**! I don’t think you’re a troll. I think you’re every bit as dumb as you present yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/507 "2015-11-05T18:24:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > you’re going to get deservedly mocked for it. As if there weren’t enough reasons already. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/508 "2015-11-05T18:51:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > what you’ve actually got is bloody-minded literalism and a congenital inability to grasp gradations of meaning. That’s what **Jack** calls “employing a creative concatenation”. Which I have to nominate for my favorite example of **Jackobabble**. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/509 "2015-11-05T19:06:54Z")
Old Jack is a sock. Apart from his six or so haikus (how cute is that?), he’s perpetually angry, with far too much invested in his board persona. I suppose it’s remotely possible that he signed up simply to spew contempt in his inimitable style, but that would be even more pathetic, no? Trying to impress random strangers on a discussion board with his verbosity? If LinusK weren’t so clearly limited, I’d guess Jack of Words was one of his personalities. The one that beats up all the feminists that LinusK is so frightened of. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/510 "2015-11-05T19:17:23Z")
Can we get back to LinunK, instead of this new troll? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/511 "2015-11-05T20:13:50Z")
As long as no one summons him again, we should be clear. I think it’s past his bedtime anyway. Regarding **LinusK** was there some new frustration you wanted to vent? In the last thread, I finally resorted to just posting earlier Post Numbers in response to his babble about subjects that had already been covered. I started to make a list here of all of the topics that we now have exhaustive data points on, for easy copy and paste later, but maybe another time. Truthfully the best thing will be if we can all just stay out of the inevitable next thread. It’s like a scab or something. You know you shouldn’t pick at it, but it just itches until you do. **LinusK** , the itching scab of the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/512 "2015-11-05T20:56:17Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Heh. Five bucks says that the next time a moderator has to smack **Jack** down for rulebreaking, he’s going to start whining that the mods have it in for him because he called **Miller** a “fatuous oaf” in this Pit thread. I’ll take that. Easy money 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/513 "2015-11-05T21:06:58Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > I’ll take that. Easy money Oh, have they had to warn you again already? Show me the post where you got the new smackdown, and if I see that you managed to refrain from whining about mod retaliation due to “petty grudges”, I’ll undertake to get the five dollars to you. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/514 "2015-11-05T21:21:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > It’s post’s like these that make your choice of user name the funniest thing you’ll ever write here. It’s simply adorable that you actually think you’ve got some sort of skill with language, when what you’ve actually got is bloody-minded literalism and a congenital inability to grasp gradations of meaning. You’re good at grammar, which is a nice enough skill. But you’ve got absolutely no talent at communication. You continuously make statements that you later insist you never made: not, I suspect, because you’re dishonest (although I’m certainly not ruling that out) but because you seem to genuinely not understand what meaning is being conveyed by the words you use. This is certainly the case in the reverse, where you are fundamentally unable to correctly parse meaning out of other people’s words. Your last exchange with **Kimstu** was particularly precious in this regard - you know, the one where you went back through the thread for examples of misandrist posts, and were only able to demonstrate that you’ve confused a persecution complex with reading comprehension? I mean, [look at this.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18831528&postcount=680) This is not the post of a competent reader. This is the post of a deluded, half-bright ideologue who is constitutionally incapable of not projecting his biases onto every thing he sees, no matter how transparently inappropriate the projection may be. Or, you know… a troll. But I have faith in you, **Jack**! I don’t think you’re a troll. I think you’re every bit as dumb as you present yourself. What I have, chummy, is a career as a poet and script writer (with a sideline in amusing myself here, watching ideologues reveal themselves as having no arguments but plenty of insults - there’s no money in it, but I’m an amateur in the truest sense of the word). I don’t recall denying ever having said something, not least because that would be foolish - after all, it’s all on record. That’s why I fell foul of the strange rule prohibiting one pointing out that a poster must either be a liar or a fool when they “paraphrase” (to use lance’s creative definition) a third party - by which I mean blatantly misrepresenting what was actually said. Of course, dependent on the ability (or lack thereof) of the liar/fool in question, it may be that they ‘believe’ something else was said. Anecdotally, I have a friend who swears I once told him ‘xyz’, when in fact it was a performance poem and the line was (and always is) ‘abc’ (where both are fairly insulting, but he heard/remembered it according to his own prejudices). Communication is not a difficult subject. I’ve taught it. One of the precepts is that it necessarily involves both the sender of the message and the receiver. So to stand on one side and claim “you can’t communicate” is a sort of meta-ignorance. As an associated aside, it’s very telling that so many posts in that failed thread involved no attempt to engage with anything - it was about insulting (with an eye to moderation rules) and shutting down debate. ‘Rubbish’ is not the clever response kimstu seems to think it is - unless the measure is how well you can shut out ideas opposing your ideology. My own ‘ideology’, if you want to stretch the definition, is eqalitarian. That is, equality for all (not just, for example, women). The handful of posts I culled casually from less than half that thread clearly demonstrate a view of equality that is pro-women and anti-men. That you (and others) think debate consists of shouting “Oh no it isn’t”\* at ideas you have no more engaged with than the one you picked because it seemed to appeal on a sub-intellectual level, is a shame. That I fruitlessly persist in the naive belief that anyone so crippled might be shaken from their stupor is, too, a shame. but at least I’m right 🙂 [\*A pantomine reference. Pantomime is a british tradition. I’m aware that some posters here think this part of the WWW is ‘american’, and sadly aware that some americans think not being american is ‘wrong’ (the root, I expect, of your sad belief that _I_ “can’t communicate”, because I’m not inside your bubble).] I feel, despite it all, that we may have at least achieved a recorded lesson (for those that have ears to hear, as it were): an ideology that can only stick its metaphorical fingers in its ears and insult those who bring critical questions is…well, it’s that. That’s what it is. I suppose some people want that. “The poetry is in the pity”. Miller, are you capable of truth? You seem to believe that saying something firmly, assuredly, and with a chorus, somehow _creates_ truth. I think it was JK Galbraith who said power is the ability to define another’s reality. The petty power of moderation, as petty powers will, so often goes to the head. But please, I care about people (even stupid lieing ideologues) - don’t get so carried away that you think your power _is_ truth. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/515 "2015-11-05T21:25:52Z")
I think you just lost $5, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/516 "2015-11-05T21:26:16Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Old Jack is a sock. Apart from his six or so haikus (how cute is that?), he’s perpetually angry, with far too much invested in his board persona. > > I suppose it’s remotely possible that he signed up simply to spew contempt in his inimitable style, but that would be even more pathetic, no? Trying to impress random strangers on a discussion board with his verbosity? > > If LinusK weren’t so clearly limited, I’d guess Jack of Words was one of his personalities. The one that beats up all the feminists that LinusK is so frightened of. Oh, poor baby, do you feel ‘beaten up’ by the ‘troll’ who ‘can’t communicate’? You guys should really get your story straight… ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/517 "2015-11-05T21:28:12Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > My own ‘ideology’, if you want to stretch the definition, is eqalitarian. I think you mean “eagle.” Or “vegetarian.” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/518 "2015-11-05T21:32:39Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Oh, have they had to warn you again already? Show me the post where you got the new smackdown, and if I see that you managed to refrain from whining about mod retaliation due to “petty grudges”, I’ll undertake to get the five dollars to you. No dear, they haven’t\*. I just meant it would be so sweet to take your money, I’d refrain from saying anything you’d think I’d say. Why, for ten bucks I’d say anything you wanted me to - that’s my business, after all. Cash up front, mind. \*Once again, you’ve failed to do even simple, easy research before sounding off. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/519 "2015-11-05T21:33:47Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I think you mean “eagle.” Or “vegetarian.” Oh touche, jimmy - you’ve been keeping that grudge warm for a while, eh? 😃 ETA: I’ve been on the qin. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/520 "2015-11-05T21:38:42Z")
It’s spelled _egalitarian_. With a _g_, not a _q_. Back to your crayons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=27)