# Please Join Me for the Pitting of LinusK **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722 "2015-07-20T20:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/661 "2015-12-08T06:00:36Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > My honest question was directed toward an egalitarian … Point of order: I believe you’ll find that your question was actually addressed not so much to an egalitarian as to a _trolling dickass piece of shit with a demonstrated disinclination to engage honestly or sincerely on any level_. HTH! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/662 "2015-12-08T06:40:44Z")
Oh golly, there he goes again: > [@LinusK](#): > > In an effort to return the thread to substance - what do I have against feminism? > > 1.) The first is that at least some feminists pretend it’s about equality, when it’s not. > > 2.) A strain of hatred-of-men runs through feminism, at least as far back as the second wave feminists of the 60’s & 70’s. > > 3.) Feminists have little regard for the truth. They prefer stories that make them feel good, reinforce their sense of victimhood, or both. Slut Walks are a prime example. They give young, attractive women a chance to show off, while pretending it’s for a good cause - as if marching naked stops rape. > > 4.) Feminism asserts that women are oppressed, when they’re not. > > 5.) Feminism ignores the institutional biases against men. And, in at least some cases, actively works to defend or expand them. Wasn’t it supposed to be Talleyrand who said of the Bourbon dynasty when they returned to power that “they had learned nothing and forgotten nothing”? That’s what I always think of whenever **Linus** comes back with another iteration of his same old shit talking points. I’ll just note that even by **LinusK** standards, his point 3 is outstandingly illogical. For one thing, there’s nothing about SlutWalks as a protest event that in any way evinces any lack of “regard for the truth”. They’re saying “You shouldn’t rape people, irrespective of how they dress”. There’s nothing untruthful about that. For another thing, the whole _point_ of SlutWalks is that _even if women **are** “showing off” their young attractiveness, **it’s not okay to rape them** _. No matter **what** she’s wearing or not wearing, she’s not “asking to be raped” or “encouraging attackers”. People should stop acting as though open display of female beauty or sexuality somehow legitimizes or normalizes rape. ISTM that emphasizing that point **is** , in fact, a good cause. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/663 "2015-12-08T10:13:47Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > But making sure they don’t get promoted, or end up earning more by working harder and longer (the usual causes of average pay disparities)? What an appealing notion that must be for so many men… > > My own experience of working in primary schools is that I’ll be the only man in the building apart from the caretaker - and that female teachers are quite often feminist bigots who don’t think men can be trusted near children. Or women. > > No, _the_ fundamental principle is that men are an oppressor class who created a patriarchy because they hate the awesome power of the womb, or something. Then it’s manspreading, slut shaming, and somewhere down the list ‘_women_ can do what they want’ (which so many took to be a moral code). After that is ‘men can do as they’re told’. Nope, that’s not the fundamental principle of feminism. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/664 "2015-12-08T13:04:01Z")
On [glass elevators](http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/05/21/a-new-obstacle-for-professional-women-the-glass-escalator/): men in female-dominated professions. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/665 "2015-12-08T13:31:38Z")
Is the compensation and status really that much lower than for middle or high school teachers? (I don’t know the stats.) Could some fear of predator paranoia also play a factor? (Whether or not that exists.) ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/666 "2015-12-08T17:59:08Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Point of order: I believe you’ll find that your question was actually addressed not so much to an egalitarian as to a _trolling dickass piece of shit with a demonstrated disinclination to engage honestly or sincerely on any level_. HTH! Valid point. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/667 "2015-12-08T18:15:37Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > …And again, my sales and fans and all the rounds of applause (and the occasional groupie) are my guide as to the value of my writing. A bunch of butthurt bigots imagining their insults impact on me because they have no arguments that can? Get over yourselves. Are you a fantasy writer? Or do you confine your fantasies to online descriptions of your career? ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/668 "2015-12-08T18:17:52Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Are you a fantasy writer? Or do you confine your fantasies to online descriptions of your career? How would we all know what a fabulously talented writer he is if he didn’t tell us? I mean, otherwise we would just have to base our opinions on his actual writing, or something bizarre like that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/669 "2015-12-08T18:34:20Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > Don’t be silly, women can’t be sexist… > > From that study, by the way: “In technical services, women actually make 6% more than men do.” [Moderating] Altering the text inside a quote box without indicating that you’ve altered the text is a violation of the board rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/670 "2015-12-08T20:37:25Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Altering the text inside a quote box without indicating that you’ve altered the text is a violation of the board rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. > > No warning issued. > [/Moderating] I’d take your moderation more seriously if you applied it even-handedly. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/671 "2015-12-08T20:41:18Z")
I take your criticisms of my moderation about as seriously as seriously as I take your criticisms of feminism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/672 "2015-12-08T20:54:38Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > I’d take your moderation more seriously if you applied it even-handedly. There’s pretty much no less controversial modding then the altering-quotes without attribution one. That _always_ is modded (when noticed, at least). ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/673 "2015-12-08T21:46:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I take your criticisms of my moderation about as seriously as seriously as I take your criticisms of feminism. And about as seriously as you take reports of egregious rule breaking. Come along, do your job properly, there’s a good mod. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/674 "2015-12-08T21:47:30Z")
Trollololol! ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/675 "2015-12-08T21:53:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There’s pretty much no less controversial modding then the altering-quotes without attribution one. That _always_ is modded (when noticed, at least). Noticed? I drew attention to it. I forgot to include the […] that indicated my removal of irrelevant material. Did it alter the meaning of what I did include? No. Did I suggest the quoted poster said something she hadn’t? No. You’re really grasping at straws now, eh? ‘Don’t listen to the anti-feminist! He carelessly jaywalked!’ Meanwhile, specific Pit rules relating to language are being ignored, despite being reported. ‘No problem! Our cop’s on our side!’ You guys (and gals!) should take a moment, once in a while, to consider how things look to those who haven’t drunk the kool-aid. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/676 "2015-12-08T21:57:53Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > And about as seriously as you take reports of egregious rule breaking. Come along, do your job properly, there’s a good mod. [Moderating] Telling people to fuck off isn’t against the rules. “Fuck off and die,” is, and gets modded. “Fuck off,” is not against the rules, and will not be modded. You are welcome to find an instance of me being inconsistent in this ruling. You will not be successful. Any further discussion of rules should happen in ATMB, and not in the Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/677 "2015-12-08T21:59:54Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Are you a fantasy writer? Or do you confine your fantasies to online descriptions of your career? Neither. Are you a mental health in-patient, or one of those people who survives in the real world despite your delusions? When you invent insults from whole cloth, do try to think outside your own smugness. Telling me I can’t write (which only started after I said I was a writer) only works _in your head]_. Like feminism. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/678 "2015-12-08T22:04:39Z")
Hey, I can play **LinusK** -debate too: "What do I have against the gay rights movement? 1.) The first is that at least some gay-rights supporters pretend it’s about equality, when it’s not. 2.) A strain of hatred-of-heteronormality (especially misogyny) runs through the gay-rights movement, at least as far back as the “homophile” movement in the 1940s. 3.) Gay-rights supporters have little regard for the truth. They prefer stories that make them feel good, reinforce their sense of victimhood, or both. Gay Pride parades are a prime example. They give young, attractive gay people a chance to show off, while pretending it’s for a good cause - as if marching naked stops homophobia. 4.) The gay-rights movement asserts that homosexuals are oppressed, when they’re not. 5.) The gay-rights movement ignores the institutional biases against gender-conforming heterosexuals. And, in at least some cases, actively works to defend or expand them." Naturally, if all that shit were true, it wouldn’t be in the least surprising that someone would oppose the gay-rights movement: after all, who **wouldn’t** be opposed to a bunch of power-hungry, lying, conniving, exhibitionist, self-centered, oppressive haters? The trouble with that argument is that _only in the minds of homophobic bigots are the assertions made in points 1-5 significantly representative of any **actual** gay-rights supporters_. Similarly, **LinusK** ’s claims about feminism don’t significantly represent **actual** feminism. What he’s complaining about is a “fantasy feminism” that he and a bunch of other misogynists have cobbled together from a few instances of radical-feminist extremism and a substrate of traditionally sexist societal attitudes that most feminists don’t actually support. He’s made up his mind that that’s what feminism is, and no rational argument or facts will ever modify his opinion. Which is why it makes no sense to go on arguing with him in Great Debates, where posters are supposed to discuss rationally defensible arguments rationally. **LinusK** has demonstrated that he’s impervious to rational argument on the subject of feminism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/679 "2015-12-08T22:22:49Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > Noticed? I drew attention to it. I forgot to include the […] that indicated my removal of irrelevant material. Did it alter the meaning of what I did include? No. Did I suggest the quoted poster said something she hadn’t? No. You’re really grasping at straws now, eh? ‘Don’t listen to the anti-feminist! He carelessly jaywalked!’ > > Meanwhile, specific Pit rules relating to language are being ignored, despite being reported. ‘No problem! Our cop’s on our side!’ > > You guys (and gals!) should take a moment, once in a while, to consider how things look to those who haven’t drunk the kool-aid. What’s the big deal? You didn’t get a formal warning – just a mod note – “don’t alter the text in quote boxes” without calling attention to it. You didn’t do that – you made a very, very minor mistake, and a moderator said not to break this rule again, without any formal action at all. No big deal. Proper moderating. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/680 "2015-12-08T22:27:24Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > Noticed? I drew attention to it. I forgot to include the […] that indicated my removal of irrelevant material. Did it alter the meaning of what I did include? No. Did I suggest the quoted poster said something she hadn’t? No. You’re really grasping at straws now, eh? ‘Don’t listen to the anti-feminist! He carelessly jaywalked!’ > > Meanwhile, specific Pit rules relating to language are being ignored, despite being reported. ‘No problem! Our cop’s on our side!’ > > You guys (and gals!) should take a moment, once in a while, to consider how things look to those who haven’t drunk the kool-aid. You “drew attention to it” after you were called out for doing it. That’s not exactly the same, is it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=35)