# Please Join Me for the Pitting of LinusK **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722 "2015-07-20T20:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/681 "2015-12-08T23:14:33Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What’s the big deal? You didn’t get a formal warning – just a mod note – “don’t alter the text in quote boxes” without calling attention to it. You didn’t do that – you made a very, very minor mistake, and a moderator said not to break this rule again, without any formal action at all. No big deal. Proper moderating. [Moderating] The note about taking further discussion about moderation to ATMB applies to you, too, **andy** and **raventhief**. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/682 "2015-12-08T23:25:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > The note about taking further discussion about moderation to ATMB applies to you, too, **andy** and **raventhief**. > [/Moderating] Sorry, **Miller**! ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/683 "2015-12-09T00:15:19Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Hey, I can play **LinusK** -debate too: > > "What do I have against the gay rights movement? > > 1.) The first is that at least some gay-rights supporters pretend it’s about equality, when it’s not. > > 2.) A strain of hatred-of-heteronormality (especially misogyny) runs through the gay-rights movement, at least as far back as the “homophile” movement in the 1940s. > > 3.) Gay-rights supporters have little regard for the truth. They prefer stories that make them feel good, reinforce their sense of victimhood, or both. Gay Pride parades are a prime example. They give young, attractive gay people a chance to show off, while pretending it’s for a good cause - as if marching naked stops homophobia. > > 4.) The gay-rights movement asserts that homosexuals are oppressed, when they’re not. > > 5.) The gay-rights movement ignores the institutional biases against gender-conforming heterosexuals. And, in at least some cases, actively works to defend or expand them." > > Naturally, if all that shit were true, it wouldn’t be in the least surprising that someone would oppose the gay-rights movement: after all, who **wouldn’t** be opposed to a bunch of power-hungry, lying, conniving, exhibitionist, self-centered, oppressive haters? > > The trouble with that argument is that _only in the minds of homophobic bigots are the assertions made in points 1-5 significantly representative of any **actual** gay-rights supporters_. Similarly, **LinusK** ’s claims about feminism don’t significantly represent **actual** feminism. > > What he’s complaining about is a “fantasy feminism” that he and a bunch of other misogynists have cobbled together from a few instances of radical-feminist extremism and a substrate of traditionally sexist societal attitudes that most feminists don’t actually support. He’s made up his mind that that’s what feminism is, and no rational argument or facts will ever modify his opinion. > > Which is why it makes no sense to go on arguing with him in Great Debates, where posters are supposed to discuss rationally defensible arguments rationally. **LinusK** has demonstrated that he’s impervious to rational argument on the subject of feminism. You put much more thought into that than LinusK has given to anything he has ever posted. But did you mean gender-non-conforming heterosexuals in point five? Because there’s a really awful strain of radical feminism that is really, really nasty towards trans women and you could vilify the entirely of the gay/lesbian rights movement for that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/684 "2015-12-09T00:16:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > The note about taking further discussion about moderation to ATMB applies to you, too, **andy** and **raventhief**. > [/Moderating] Sorry! ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/685 "2015-12-09T01:01:04Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > I’ll just note that even by **LinusK** standards, his point 3 is outstandingly illogical. For one thing, there’s nothing about SlutWalks as a protest event that in any way evinces any lack of “regard for the truth”. They’re saying “You shouldn’t rape people, irrespective of how they dress”. There’s nothing untruthful about that. > > For another thing, the whole _point_ of SlutWalks is that _even if women **are** “showing off” their young attractiveness, **it’s not okay to rape them** _. No matter **what** she’s wearing or not wearing, she’s not “asking to be raped” or “encouraging attackers”. > > People should stop acting as though open display of female beauty or sexuality somehow legitimizes or normalizes rape. ISTM that emphasizing that point **is** , in fact, a good cause. I believe it was **even sven** in one of the previous threads who pointed out that \*\*LinusK \*\*seems to be particularly fixated on Slut Walks. He frequently brings them up as an example of not something he considers merely silly or misguided but feminism at its very worst. IIRC he did not respond to her direct question about what specifically his objection to Slut Walks is. Personally I can think of only one reason why someone would be both obsessed with and furious about Slut Walks, although I am still not convinced that **LinusK** is a human being and not a bot. Maybe he’s a man who believes that “sluts” do deserve to be raped, or maybe Slut Walks are just one of the relatively small number of topics that the LinusBot is programmed to post about. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/686 "2015-12-09T01:31:15Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I believe it was **even sven** in one of the previous threads who pointed out that \*\*LinusK \*\*seems to be particularly fixated on Slut Walks. He frequently brings them up as an example of not something he considers merely silly or misguided but feminism at its very worst. IIRC he did not respond to her direct question about what specifically his objection to Slut Walks is. > > Personally I can think of only one reason why someone would be both obsessed with and furious about Slut Walks, although I am still not convinced that **LinusK** is a human being and not a bot. Maybe he’s a man who believes that “sluts” do deserve to be raped, or maybe Slut Walks are just one of the relatively small number of topics that the LinusBot is programmed to post about. It’s never made sense to me either. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/687 "2015-12-09T02:58:10Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > You put much more thought into that than LinusK has given to anything he has ever posted. True, but to be fair, that’s a pretty low bar. [QUOTE=Emiliana] But did you mean gender-non-conforming heterosexuals in point five? Because there’s a really awful strain of radical feminism that is really, really nasty towards trans women and you could vilify the entirely of the gay/lesbian rights movement for that. [/QUOTE] I concur with your point, but no, I was making an analogy with **LinusK** ’s typical senseless grouching about how it’s the traditionally privileged groups (e.g., men, or white people, or gender-typical heterosexuals) who are actually the victims of all sorts of horrible institutional bias that somehow are never clearly and convincingly articulated. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/688 "2015-12-09T03:25:20Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > True, but to be fair, that’s a pretty low bar. > I concur with your point, but no, I was making an analogy with **LinusK** ’s typical senseless grouching about how it’s the traditionally privileged groups (e.g., men, or white people, or gender-typical heterosexuals) who are actually the victims of all sorts of horrible institutional bias that somehow are never clearly and convincingly articulated. Perhaps not clearly articulated, but you can’t say he doesn’t completely dodge or ignore any attempt to get him to clarify! ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/689 "2015-12-09T12:41:59Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > True, but to be fair, that’s a pretty low bar. > I concur with your point, but no, I was making an analogy with **LinusK** ’s typical senseless grouching about how it’s the traditionally privileged groups (e.g., men, or white people, or gender-typical heterosexuals) who are actually the victims of all sorts of horrible institutional bias that somehow are never clearly and convincingly articulated. Ah, that. See, I’ve eradicated this entire group from my mind! It’s a hetero-conforminggendercide! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/690 "2015-12-09T21:29:07Z")
To be honest, I think **Linus** ’s whole schtick boils down to a version of the he-man, women haters club. He finds any discussion of or with non-subservient women repulsive. It’s not-so-thinly veiled misogyny, but with pseudo-science of his own invention. **Jack** , on the other hand, just likes to use his keyboard. Why use a few words, concisely, when he can use paragraphs that say essentially nothing? Other than declamations of his own brilliance, and the assertion that feminists aren’t actually feminists, he’s contributed nothing more than paeans to his own “wit”. The pair of them are tiresome, with no contribution to make other than hate. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/691 "2015-12-09T22:23:58Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > To be honest, I think **Linus** ’s whole schtick boils down to a version of the he-man, women haters club. He finds any discussion of or with non-subservient women repulsive. It’s not-so-thinly veiled misogyny, but with pseudo-science of his own invention. Yeah, I have to confess to feeling somewhat sorry for the (hopefully fairly small) minority of heterosexual men who just plain don’t like women. Since they tend to be the sort who believe they need to have a lot of sex, and in particular that they need a lot of sex with “hot” partners to uphold their masculinity in the eyes of other men, they’re kind of screwed. In order to get the sex they want, they have to either pretend to like women or somehow trick or force women into having sex with them, and none of that is good for the psyche. (Not good for the women either, of course.) So they tend to wind up very bitter and resentful, with a lot of stupid rationalizations about Why Women Are So Terrible. I don’t know why we don’t see so much of this sort of loudly articulated spitefulness from the corresponding minority of heterosexual women who just plain don’t like men. I think those women are probably more likely to either just not bother with sex for the most part, or else to take out their dislike in unscrupulous exploitation of men. To the (minor) extent that the misogynists’ cartoon stereotype of women as greedy selfish heartless golddigging bitches actually does exist in the real world, it’s probably embodied in the heterosexual women who just plain don’t like men. Hmmm. You know, maybe the heterosexual men who don’t like women are hooking up with the heterosexual women who don’t like men. After all, the HWWDLM don’t really care about being sincerely liked or respected, since their basic attitude toward men is one of contempt; they’re willing to put up with the HMWDLW for the sake of what they can get out of them. And the HMWDLW gravitate towards those women because they’re easier to get than the women who want a guy who genuinely cares about them. So it’s a scam of mutual exploitation that ends up with both parties despising each other more than ever. If true, couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of folks, I guess. As long as it keeps the HMWDLW and the HWWDLM away from decent women and men respectively, that’s a plus. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/692 "2015-12-09T22:32:46Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > To be honest, I think **Linus** ’s whole schtick boils down to a version of the he-man, women haters club. He finds any discussion of or with non-subservient women repulsive. It’s not-so-thinly veiled misogyny, but with pseudo-science of his own invention. > > **Jack** , on the other hand, just likes to use his keyboard. Why use a few words, concisely, when he can use paragraphs that say essentially nothing? Other than declamations of his own brilliance, and the assertion that feminists aren’t actually feminists, he’s contributed nothing more than paeans to his own “wit”. > > The pair of them are tiresome, with no contribution to make other than hate. Oh, Jack of Words is quite clearly in the he-man, women haters’ club. He even extends his hate to men who like women and aren’t threatened by them. Fortunately, he can be disappeared. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/693 "2015-12-10T04:41:12Z")
I love that this is an “echo chamber” while the stalwart refusal to even address issuing viewpoints in the GD thread is apparently the height of rational discourse. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/694 "2015-12-10T05:05:31Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > To be honest, I think **Linus** ’s whole schtick boils down to a version of the he-man, women haters club. He finds any discussion of or with non-subservient women repulsive. It’s not-so-thinly veiled misogyny, but with pseudo-science of his own invention. > > **Jack** , on the other hand, just likes to use his keyboard. Why use a few words, concisely, when he can use paragraphs that say essentially nothing? Other than declamations of his own brilliance, and the assertion that feminists aren’t actually feminists, he’s contributed nothing more than paeans to his own “wit”. > > The pair of them are tiresome, with no contribution to make other than hate. Jack reminds me of that Vox Day asshole. I’ll bet anything he’s a rabid puppy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 9:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/695 "2015-12-10T09:35:55Z")
They seem to have a nice game of pigeon chess going on in that thread at the moment. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/696 "2015-12-10T10:05:11Z")
Less “pigeon chess” and more “mutual MRA handjob society”, ISTM… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/697 "2015-12-10T10:06:20Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Less “pigeon chess” and more “mutual MRA handjob society”, ISTM… Situational homosexuality. It’s not like they’re going to find a woman to do it to them. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/698 "2015-12-10T16:18:59Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Situational homosexuality. It’s not like they’re going to find a woman to do it to them. And now there’s the classic feminist response. You can’t just call him a witnessing moron who refuses to actually address facts, you have to emasculate him, imply he’s gay and say that no woman would have him. Are you trying to prove him right? Cause this is how you prove he’s right. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/699 "2015-12-10T16:29:44Z")
> [@Mithrander](#): > > And now there’s the classic feminist response. You can’t just call him a witnessing moron who refuses to actually address facts, you have to emasculate him, imply he’s gay and say that no woman would have him. I’m just riffing on the “mutual MRA handjob” remark. The comment that no woman would want them has nothing to do with them being gay (since “situational homosexuals” specifically aren’t) nor emasculated (which I said nothing about) and everything to do with them being misogynistic assholes. But thanks for the kneejerk “YOU SAID A BAD THING THEREFORE YOU REPRESENT ALL FEMINISTS” response yourself. I’m sure it’s “classic” something or other. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/700 "2015-12-10T16:34:21Z")
I’m not wild about the blowjob/situational homosexuality stuff myself. Come too close to implying that being gay is a bad/unmasculine thing. I’m happy to call LinusK a witnessing moron who wouldn’t know a fact if it flew up his nose. Not that I think LinusK and Jack of Words have much luck with the ladies because of the whole hating the wimmin schtick. I’ve never understand guys who use cocksucker as an insult, either. I’ve always understood it to be a rather pleasant experience for the suckee. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=36)