# Please Join Me for the Pitting of LinusK **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722 "2015-07-20T20:14:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/121 "2015-07-31T18:35:13Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Lap it up, stupids! My parents had a pinball machine based on a carnival. There was a voice from the “Dunk the Dummy” bumper that yelled out “Hey turkey! Try and hit me!” or something similar. Of course, you would hit the target, there’d be a sound of yelling and a splash, and then “Hey turkey!” would start up again. As you might imagine, I hear Jack’s posts in the dummy’s voice. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/122 "2015-07-31T19:17:47Z")
My favorite part is his self-avowed impatience with “people who think they’re cleverer than they are.” And yet, not an ounce of self-awareness. (Turns out I’m _more_ clever than I think I am. Mind. Blown.) ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/123 "2015-07-31T19:45:39Z")
He’s being such a jackass that I’m fairly convinced he’s a sock or a troll. Why else spend so much time making so little sense simply to tick people off? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/124 "2015-07-31T22:53:28Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > Is this all you have? I feel more ‘pitted’ in the actual thread. Oh no, wait, hang on… Maybe that’s because this is a pitting of LinusK? You’re just a footnote. An incorrect footnote to boot. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/125 "2015-08-08T00:02:19Z")
Is there anyone, anywhere who would be swayed, persuaded, convinced, or not straight-up giggling at Jack of Words’s performance in that thread? It’s a tour de force of something really dumb. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/126 "2015-08-08T00:15:48Z")
I haven’t been confused for a man in a loooooong time, even on this board. Yes, a male sounding name. That I picked when I was a teen. To escape harassment online, harassment the person who confused me probably doesn’t think exist. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/127 "2015-08-08T05:14:42Z")
I thought he was gone, but no. Like a bad penny, he has returned. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/128 "2015-08-08T11:25:19Z")
> [@KarlGrenze](#): > > I haven’t been confused for a man in a loooooong time, even on this board. > > Yes, a male sounding name. That I picked when I was a teen. To escape harassment online, harassment the person who confused me probably doesn’t think exist. Would that be me? I have no doubt harassment exists, and have no reason to doubt you’ve experienced it (regardless, like a good egalitarian, of your gender). I wonder (rhetorically, you understand) how you calculated your probability. You do know, though, that internet harassment, most especially but not exclusively, happens to both men and women and is perpetrated by both men and women? I wonder too, less rhetorically but with no expectation of a meaningful answer, how you suppose I might have ‘known’ that ‘Karl’ was not male. I’m not even sure it had any bearing on the matter - I do recall you conflating criticism of feminism (an ideology held by both genders and purporting to work for both genders) with criticism of women (a gender). Your name was my only guideline, though surely I should get some kudos for assuming someone so confused about such basic matters was in fact male? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/129 "2015-08-08T11:37:14Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > He’s a Tumblr Scholar, and your silly actual degrees are meaningless next to his awesome blog-based knowledge. I’ve never engaged with tumblr, and the only blogs I read occasionally are a couple of Aspergians whose writing I appreciate. My actual degree (BSc hons) did include a fatuous lecture about ecofeminism and the claim that environmental damage is all the fault of men, leading to my dissertation, in which a wide variety of sources amply demonstrated that there was little discernable difference\* between the behaviours of men in women in regard to environmental conservation & protection, and in their awareness of environmental issues. I got a 2.1 and the annual prize for community involvement. But, d’oh, of course, you’re still playing the same silly games being played in that thread: “If you don’t share our irrational ideology then you’re a [del]heathen[/del] [del]poopyhead[/del] misogynist who [del]will burn in hell[/del] [del]has cooties[/del] lives in his mother’s basement.” \*The only statistically significant differences, from over 100 indicators, were that men were more familiar with the term ‘local agenda 21’ and that women recycled more tin cans. Showing that even in the mid-90s, it was mostly men in offices and women in the kitchen… ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/130 "2015-08-08T12:05:07Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > MRA types are the most pathetic people on the internet. I won’t say they’re the worst, because they’re not the worst, but they are pathetic. > > Anyway, I don’t see the point in debating them. You don’t become an MRA unless you’re already a pathetic loser, so debating them on the internet won’t fix them. > > As an aside, why do these kind of threads always attract the shitty newcomers? Start a thread on MRA, or scientific racism, or truthers, or whatever, and a bunch of shitty new posters will appear and make asses of themselves for a few months, and then never be heard from again except as an inside joke. For example, this thread appears to have summoned **Jack of Words**. **Jack** , I’ll predict your future for you: you’ll make a fool of yourself until no one cares about posting to the thread any more then you’ll disappear forever. You should just skip to that last bit. > > Also, why do these people always claim “I used to be a feminist” or “I used to believe in the holocaust,” or whatever? No you fucking didn’t. You’re a fucking liar and we all fucking know it. At least have enough self-respect to own your fucking dysfunction. **Jack** , you would have gotten more respect if you start out like this: “I’ve always hated women since my mother neglected me as a child and attractive women look down at me. Can you convince me to become a feminist?” Own your shit. Fucking own it. OWN IT! Coward. I wouldn’t say I was a newcomer, exactly - unless I was the sort of egocentric who thought someone didn’t exist before they met him. I have mostly been posting in Haiku Madness for the time I’ve been here, though if you wanted to do any factual research (ha!) you’d find other threads and posts. I didn’t even join in the anti-feminism thread for a while, knowing that all that can be produced from challenging unthinking ideologues is that kind of schoolyard name-calling. You’re probably right, to some extent, that the thread will eventually die (along with feminism). Hell, I’ll die at some point, and then you can claim your ‘prediction’ was accurate. As for your uncalled for comments about my mother, whose mothering I could not fault, you should be ashamed of yourself. Not very feminist, is it, to blame mothers for the behaviour of men? It’s not particularly feminist either, surely, to suppose that I would only be interested in ‘attractive’ women? What are ‘attractive’ women, by your feminist reckoning? It’s pointless, I know, to try and burst your bubble, but I’m not neck-bearded, I don’t own a fedora, I live in my own home and though I’m not quite the shagger I was once (audiences really did use to lick me ;)), attractive and interesting and successful women (and men) look up to me (although, obviously, some people also look down on me - you for example, even though you’re almost certainly attractive, interesting, successful and wasting your time inventing insults for me). Your distasteful, dishonest attempt to link anti-feminism with holocaust denial is also shameful. It was tried in the thread, too, along with racism and something else (pig-fucking, probably). If feminism could defend itself, it wouldn’t need that kind of contemptuous tactic. But you’re full of contemptuous tactics, because that’s the only defence feminism has - “you’re a liar” (I must be, I say things that don’t chime with your faith), “you’re an MRA” (how is standing for equality for men more contemptuous than standing for equality for women? I’m not an MRA (“Liar!”), but how can a movement claiming to be about equality be so upset that both sides of the equation should want some?), “there’s no point debating with you” - I am tempted to agree with you there, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy after all. If you’ve already decided that heretics should be burned, the only thing you’ll want to hear from them is screams. I’m relishing that “You’re a liar!”. It’s so much easier than trying to reconcile a difficult truth with an unfounded ideology. Was it J.K.Galbraith who said ‘power is the ability to define reality’? You have the power to define your own ‘reality’, but let’s not pretend your ‘truth’ has any value as truth. What I genuinely don’t understand, is why so many feel the need to continually insult me (I get that you have nothing else, but that’s not the point). It clearly has no impact (indeed, like so many misguided ideologies, it’s a tactic almost guaranteed to backfire). But there is an ignore facility here - I’ve used it myself (mostly on idiot feminists who can’t construct or sustain or, often, _understand_ an argument. Do, please, feel free to ignore me properly. In the meanwhile, you’re just showing the world what feminists really are. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/131 "2015-08-08T12:36:37Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > I wonder too, less rhetorically but with no expectation of a meaningful answer, how you suppose I might have ‘known’ that ‘Karl’ was not male. I’m not even sure it had any bearing on the matter - I do recall you conflating criticism of feminism (an ideology held by both genders and purporting to work for both genders) with criticism of women (a gender). Your name was my only guideline, though surely I should get some kudos for assuming someone so confused about such basic matters was in fact male? Don’t twist my words, I was asking for clarification regarding your criticism of feminism. It is what I said before. You write things in such a way that when people seek confirmation or explanation, you attack them. If you’d even look at my other posts in that thread and the links I provided, you could’ve noticed that, hey, I’m not male. I make no secret denying I’m a woman, and I also believe that a poster’s gender is mostly to completely irrelevant in discussion. That you singled out someone on their supposed gender is to me a fault in your style. No, you shouldn’t get kudos because in a message board, if you’re going to attack someone’s point of view based on their genitalia, which is what you were trying to do with Larry and I, you should perhaps check that your opinion is correct. As well you shouldn’t even attack someone based on their genitalia, you should attack their views. You don’t like them, fine. You don’t have to try and insert a barb about it based on our supposed gender. Finally, regarding what you did, I think that your last sentence applies to you, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/132 "2015-08-08T13:43:49Z")
> [@KarlGrenze](#): > > I haven’t been confused for a man in a loooooong time, even on this board. > > Yes, a male sounding name. eh, it’s not just male sounding, it quite literally means man. Why don’t you change to Karla, if you don’t want to be mistaken for a man? ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/133 "2015-08-08T14:11:35Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > eh, it’s not just male sounding, it quite literally means man. Why don’t you change to Karla, if you don’t want to be mistaken for a man? Being mistaken for a man doesn’t bother me. But at the same time, in this board, I do not hide what I am (go check, it is in my sig line). Not only that, but in the thread in question and others similar to that, I’ve written posts that give away my gender. If you’re going to attack someone, at least check the facts or be prepared to have them refuted. **Jack** did something similar by dismissing another poster by accusing her of “Tumblr feminism”, then the poster said “Eh, I got a degree in history”. Of course, now he doesn’t like it if we use that against him. Now, that may have been harder to figure out (nothing to tell you who had what degree). But there are posts there, and posts in threads linked, that signal “This **KG** is a woman”. A cursory view of my profile reveals this. For someone who is getting quotes from everywhere, multi-quoting, and linking, this seems like a minor thing. Especially for the argument he made (which shouldn’t had been made anyways). ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/134 "2015-08-08T21:04:56Z")
Is LinusK truly as dense as he appears to be? He’s either not reading the thread, not understanding what he is reading, or trolling. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/135 "2015-08-08T21:12:28Z")
It has been going on circles, as the latest thing arguing **iiandyiiii** and **jsgodess** are not true feminists. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/136 "2015-08-08T21:30:21Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Is LinusK truly as dense as he appears to be? He’s either not reading the thread, not understanding what he is reading, or trolling. I think it’s a combination of all three. Part of the schtick for anti-feminists is to bait people into anger and attacks; this confirms to them that their arguments have validity. That’s what they’re told to expect, and they continue on in the hope that some people reading along will come to the same conclusion. Responding to every ridiculous point is probably a mistake. Why dignify a claim based on\* The Princess Bride\*? ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/137 "2015-08-08T21:48:50Z")
> [@camille](#): > > I think it’s a combination of all three. Part of the schtick for anti-feminists is to bait people into anger and attacks; this confirms to them that their arguments have validity. That’s what they’re told to expect, and they continue on in the hope that some people reading along will come to the same conclusion. > > Responding to every ridiculous point is probably a mistake. Why dignify a claim based on\* The Princess Bride\*? Perhaps his understanding of gender relations is based primarily upon movies and discussion boards. I think he just doesn’t _understand_ your posts about domestic violence. Or he doesn’t read them. I could go either way. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/138 "2015-08-08T21:48:59Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Is LinusK truly as dense as he appears to be? He’s either not reading the thread, not understanding what he is reading, or trolling. He’s skipping right past my posts, so I’m guessing I’m on ignore. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/139 "2015-08-08T22:09:21Z")
My guess would be that he cannot conceive of any opinion that he does not hold and has no understanding of how to process such notions. His only intellectual tools are repetition of his beliefs and dismissal (not refutation) of other evidence. (He displayed the same sort of behavior in the earlier economics discussions, simply denying that counterarguments held weight, (without explaining why), or ignoring them as if they had never been posted.) There really is no point to continuing the thread. We do not even have anyone on “his side” who continues to do much more than make snide remarks or join him in refusing to recognize that feminism is large enough to include individuals and groups who, themselves, disagree on certain matters and definitions. (His supporters are more interested in the game than the discussion, of course.) (And, no, I am not going to close the thread. Anyone who can recognize its futility should be able to kill the thread by refusing to post to it. Anyone who enjoys banging their heads against the wall may continue to post.) ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722/140 "2015-08-08T22:17:00Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Anyone who can recognize its futility should be able to kill the thread by refusing to post to it. Anyone who enjoys banging their heads against the wall may continue to post.) But that describes every last debate on the internet!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-join-me-for-the-pitting-of-linusk/725722.md?page=8)